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I believe Snowflake is one of Jake Hamilton's projects. He's trying to make Nix more approachable through GUI tools etc. Unfortunately, he's also part of the

I believe Snowflake is one of Jake Hamilton's projects. He's trying to make Nix more approachable through GUI tools etc. Unfortunately, he's also part of the mob that chased the founder out of the Nix project and decided it should be yet another battleground for identity politics. Like you, seeing the community entertain these stupid political fiefdoms makes me want nothing to do with NixOS. However, I might stick with it out of laziness though until SteamOS runs on 3rd party hardware. The Jovian project is a Nix-based SteamOS clone that's been working well on my Legion Go, and I don't want to spend the time back in tinkerland finding something to replace it.

ParetoOptimal 2y ago
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- mongol 2y ago
  Thank you for illustrating the problem with the Nix community so succintly. When someone brings up those words, I know immediately to distance myself from them.
  - aktuel 2y ago
    It's more a problem of society in general. Freedom (like power) is a two-edged sword. Some people get drunk on it.
  - lynx23 2y ago
    +1
  - deleted 2y ago
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- darthrupert 2y ago
  If they don't like fascists, why are they against the only serious anti-fascist force on this planet?
  - lucideer 2y ago
    What's the only serious anti-fascist force?
    - brabel 2y ago
      I suppose that's the American led industrial military complex? I bloody hate war and the military, but I have to agree with that one. While Russia, China & co. keep moving closer and closer to the fascism of pre-WWII world, the collective West seems to be the only force countering that, though parts of the US politics is showing signs of also falling into the seductive philosophy of fascism.
  - ChocolateGod 2y ago
    These people wouldn't know what a fascist was even if Hitler took a dump in their cornflakes. Meaning of the word has been twisted and manipulated to refer to anyone who has a different opinion on something, to the benefit of actual neonazis and fascists.
mtndew4brkfst 2y ago
Let me be very direct - I disagree quite a lot with your characterizations in this post. If anything, I am probably much more closely aligned with Jake's "personal politics", since I also signed the first open letter about rejecting military sponsorship for future events. I felt the second open letter was not well thought out or well argued, so I didn't sign that one, but I do think it's clearly a net positive for Eelco to step way way back and that he has been in no way contributing to healing or progress during this debacle. I resented people building fiefdoms because they're often commercially motivated and used to drive consulting engagements. They fragment the community on a deeply technical level, ruining code reuse and interoperability, for negligible technical improvements. I don't have any idea what the authors' views on project governance or human rights are, that wasn't a factor for me.
- kortilla 2y ago
  > rejecting military sponsorship for future events Presumably you reject everything supported by money from DARPA?
  - viraptor 2y ago
    Insert "yet you participate in society. curious!.jpg"
    - kortilla 2y ago
      You don’t understand that meme. DARPA is direct military money for a bunch of tech people are happy with supporting. They just pretend it’s not the military so they don’t have to have any hard moral conflicts.
      - viraptor 2y ago
        Oh I do. We're chatting now on an evolution of DARPA network. If anyone rejects all DARPA projects, they're not on the internet. Yet you can be on the internet and make things a bit better by rejecting military sponsorship/influence in things you're involved in today.
srid 2y ago
Meta-note to readers who are not completely familiar with the conflicts in the NixOS community. This is a good summary, The NixOS Conflict in Under 5 Minutes https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41126034 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41126034
- deleted 2y ago
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- bboygravity 2y ago
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- lynx23 2y ago
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- Eisenstein 2y ago
  I don't know much about it but that summary seems completely unreliable: * it reads like the result of 'there was a power struggle and my side lost' * it falls back constantly to overly simple cause-and-effect answers to complicated problems * it clearly is trying to paint certain people as villains and dissecting their imagined motivations while excusing or ignoring the motivations of others
- ajb 2y ago
  Interesting, but not convinced of its impartiality. There's a strange attempt here to link labour union organising to social activism, which is incorrect and ahistorical. And also irrelevant to nix, which is a community rather than an employer. Individual union organisers might also be social activists, but effective union organisers know that they need to a appeal to all employees regardless of their politics. And historically unions have been just as socially unreconstructed as companies, and subject to the same process of social activists pushing for their reform.
  - imp0cat 2y ago
    There are no impartial reporters, you gotta take it all in and decide for yourself.
Modified3019 2y ago
Bazzite and ChimeraOS are good contenders for that use case if you weren’t aware of them, to the point that I am plannng on using one for setting up a system as a “gaming console” for a family member and an email howto should be good enough for minimal tech support on my part.
- tracker1 2y ago
  Just setup ChimeraOS on an 8845HS box this past weekend and really liking it. I do wish there were a few more emulators configured in the box, and there are some rough edges (the second activated controller is always controller 1 in games for some reason). It's been relatively nice all around. I do wish there was some slightly better platform specific documentation though.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> However, I might stick with it out of laziness though until SteamOS runs on 3rd party hardware. It's unofficial and I've not personally tried it, but isn't that https://github.com/HoloISO/releases https://github.com/HoloISO/releases ?

ParetoOptimal 2y ago

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mongol 2y ago
Thank you for illustrating the problem with the Nix community so succintly. When someone brings up those words, I know immediately to distance myself from them.
- aktuel 2y ago
  It's more a problem of society in general. Freedom (like power) is a two-edged sword. Some people get drunk on it.
- lynx23 2y ago
  +1
- deleted 2y ago
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darthrupert 2y ago
If they don't like fascists, why are they against the only serious anti-fascist force on this planet?
- lucideer 2y ago
  What's the only serious anti-fascist force?
  - brabel 2y ago
    I suppose that's the American led industrial military complex? I bloody hate war and the military, but I have to agree with that one. While Russia, China & co. keep moving closer and closer to the fascism of pre-WWII world, the collective West seems to be the only force countering that, though parts of the US politics is showing signs of also falling into the seductive philosophy of fascism.
- ChocolateGod 2y ago
  These people wouldn't know what a fascist was even if Hitler took a dump in their cornflakes. Meaning of the word has been twisted and manipulated to refer to anyone who has a different opinion on something, to the benefit of actual neonazis and fascists.

mtndew4brkfst 2y ago

Let me be very direct - I disagree quite a lot with your characterizations in this post. If anything, I am probably much more closely aligned with Jake's "personal politics", since I also signed the first open letter about rejecting military sponsorship for future events. I felt the second open letter was not well thought out or well argued, so I didn't sign that one, but I do think it's clearly a net positive for Eelco to step way way back and that he has been in no way contributing to healing or progress during this debacle. I resented people building fiefdoms because they're often commercially motivated and used to drive consulting engagements. They fragment the community on a deeply technical level, ruining code reuse and interoperability, for negligible technical improvements. I don't have any idea what the authors' views on project governance or human rights are, that wasn't a factor for me.

kortilla 2y ago
> rejecting military sponsorship for future events Presumably you reject everything supported by money from DARPA?
- viraptor 2y ago
  Insert "yet you participate in society. curious!.jpg"
  - kortilla 2y ago
    You don’t understand that meme. DARPA is direct military money for a bunch of tech people are happy with supporting. They just pretend it’s not the military so they don’t have to have any hard moral conflicts.
    - viraptor 2y ago
      Oh I do. We're chatting now on an evolution of DARPA network. If anyone rejects all DARPA projects, they're not on the internet. Yet you can be on the internet and make things a bit better by rejecting military sponsorship/influence in things you're involved in today.

srid 2y ago

Meta-note to readers who are not completely familiar with the conflicts in the NixOS community. This is a good summary, The NixOS Conflict in Under 5 Minutes https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41126034 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41126034

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bboygravity 2y ago
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lynx23 2y ago
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Eisenstein 2y ago
I don't know much about it but that summary seems completely unreliable: * it reads like the result of 'there was a power struggle and my side lost' * it falls back constantly to overly simple cause-and-effect answers to complicated problems * it clearly is trying to paint certain people as villains and dissecting their imagined motivations while excusing or ignoring the motivations of others
ajb 2y ago
Interesting, but not convinced of its impartiality. There's a strange attempt here to link labour union organising to social activism, which is incorrect and ahistorical. And also irrelevant to nix, which is a community rather than an employer. Individual union organisers might also be social activists, but effective union organisers know that they need to a appeal to all employees regardless of their politics. And historically unions have been just as socially unreconstructed as companies, and subject to the same process of social activists pushing for their reform.
- imp0cat 2y ago
  There are no impartial reporters, you gotta take it all in and decide for yourself.

Modified3019 2y ago

Bazzite and ChimeraOS are good contenders for that use case if you weren’t aware of them, to the point that I am plannng on using one for setting up a system as a “gaming console” for a family member and an email howto should be good enough for minimal tech support on my part.

tracker1 2y ago
Just setup ChimeraOS on an 8845HS box this past weekend and really liking it. I do wish there were a few more emulators configured in the box, and there are some rough edges (the second activated controller is always controller 1 in games for some reason). It's been relatively nice all around. I do wish there was some slightly better platform specific documentation though.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

> However, I might stick with it out of laziness though until SteamOS runs on 3rd party hardware. It's unofficial and I've not personally tried it, but isn't that https://github.com/HoloISO/releases https://github.com/HoloISO/releases ?