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We're still clinging to this in 2024? Wow.

adamtaylor_13 2y ago
Suppose there was legitimacy to this, which many believe, why wouldn’t we still talk about this in 2024? Are we not allowed to discuss history?
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  By 2024, most people should have figured out that there wasn't legitimacy to this.
  - adamtaylor_13 2y ago
    Why? What happened in 4 years that revealed to everyone beyond a doubt that it wasn’t legitimate? Where I live, no one questions that the election was rigged. Most believe it was. I haven’t done enough of my own research to know one way or the other.
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      Losing 60 out of 60 court cases that claimed election fraud should have been a data point. (Or 60 data points.)
    - bloppe 2y ago
      The key is that every single challenge has been debunked, often in court and often by Republican judges. When every challenge has been debunked, it's time to accept that the vote was fair. The problem is that it's too easy to hallucinate new challenges. It's easy to claim some guy stuffed ballot boxes with no evidence, and if people want to believe that, they will unless given irrefutable proof to the contrary. But how do you prove irrefutably that Fidel Castro definitely did not stuff all the ballot boxes? Apparently, you can't.
- bloppe 2y ago
  It's a bit like discussing whether God exists. Ya lots of people believe it and you can certainly talk about it. But this isn't really a forum for that kind of conversation.
aniviacat 2y ago
If you consider the US election to clearly not have been rigged, then you should question the legitimacy of the signs listed in the top level comment. If the signs don't convince you that the US election was rigged, they shouldn't convince you of other elections being rigged, either. (I'm not from the US and don't care much about the US election. But I do think that the comment which sadly was flagged made a valid point about the signs not being useful indicators if they also apply to elections which are not rigged.)
HPsquared 2y ago
People still complain about Brexit constantly in British newspaper comment sections.

Suppose there was legitimacy to this, which many believe, why wouldn’t we still talk about this in 2024? Are we not allowed to discuss history?

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
By 2024, most people should have figured out that there wasn't legitimacy to this.
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  Why? What happened in 4 years that revealed to everyone beyond a doubt that it wasn’t legitimate? Where I live, no one questions that the election was rigged. Most believe it was. I haven’t done enough of my own research to know one way or the other.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Losing 60 out of 60 court cases that claimed election fraud should have been a data point. (Or 60 data points.)
  - bloppe 2y ago
    The key is that every single challenge has been debunked, often in court and often by Republican judges. When every challenge has been debunked, it's time to accept that the vote was fair. The problem is that it's too easy to hallucinate new challenges. It's easy to claim some guy stuffed ballot boxes with no evidence, and if people want to believe that, they will unless given irrefutable proof to the contrary. But how do you prove irrefutably that Fidel Castro definitely did not stuff all the ballot boxes? Apparently, you can't.
bloppe 2y ago
It's a bit like discussing whether God exists. Ya lots of people believe it and you can certainly talk about it. But this isn't really a forum for that kind of conversation.

aniviacat 2y ago

If you consider the US election to clearly not have been rigged, then you should question the legitimacy of the signs listed in the top level comment. If the signs don't convince you that the US election was rigged, they shouldn't convince you of other elections being rigged, either. (I'm not from the US and don't care much about the US election. But I do think that the comment which sadly was flagged made a valid point about the signs not being useful indicators if they also apply to elections which are not rigged.)

HPsquared 2y ago

People still complain about Brexit constantly in British newspaper comment sections.