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Well, that someone better be someone else than me, because I'm not going to do unpaid night shifts. If you want something running 24/7, it's surely important en
by 9dev 2y ago
Well, that someone better be someone else than me, because I'm not going to do unpaid night shifts. If you want something running 24/7, it's surely important enough to warrant hiring someone else to take care of it while I'm asleep, no?
Keep your fancy valley salary (with the ridiculous rent prices attached), and I'll keep my European workers right's protection—including undisturbed sleep after my 8 hours workday.
- spdionis 2y agoIs it an US thing that on-call shifts are unpaid? That is not common in Europe. Generous compensation and additional time off is quite typical for engineers handling on-call burdens.
- rawgabbit 2y agoYes it is. At one company, I was technically on call 24 hours a day 7 days a week for over ten years. Did I get called that often? No. Did I get called at the worst possible moments? Yes.
- chipdart 2y agoThat's not a problem with the concept of being oncall. That's an entirely different problem that's not technical nor operational not industry-specific.
- 9dev 2y agoIsn’t the fact that you receive calls seldomly, but at the worst possible moment literally the core problem of being oncall? And it’s certainly industry-specific. Some doctors have this, firefighters—and software engineers. Contrary to the first two, they usually don’t save lives, but revenue though.
- akvadrako 2y agoIt certainly shouldn't be unpaid. When I've been on call we got half a week's salary for the week (in EU). Mostly things went smoothly so that's a pretty nice bonus.
- 9dev 2y agoYeah, it's different in the EU. In the US, it's often expected from engineers to be on unpaid oncall—that is, these companies usually phrase being oncall as part of your ordinary duties, without additional compensation. And even if it's compensated, sometimes you cannot opt out of this without seriously harming your career. Something ridiculous like that is luckily impossible in (most?) EU countries.
- BrandoElFollito 2y agoWhat happens when you are drunk or at a concert? What happens when you do not hear the phone (or if it is off)? Is the effect unformal harm? In the EU when you are on call this is a contractual thing.