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> That's... pretty unlikely considering the size of the launch site versus the space a camera and a tripod take up. I think photograph 2 of 9 in the bottom car

> That's... pretty unlikely considering the size of the launch site versus the space a camera and a tripod take up. I think photograph 2 of 9 in the bottom carousel makes the problem pretty clear. You have issues of road access, number of people, number of vehicles, cooperating between different groups photographing and probably competition over the "ideal" places to photograph from. There's also other images in that carousel of people wandering around and even taking pictures from the middle of a roadway. I think everyone is assuming that ULA can just open the gates and let random groups of people in and it will all be just fine and naturally work itself out. I think these people have never had the responsibility of managing a crowd of any size (particularly one including semi professional photographers) and it's why I specifically invoke the tragedy of the commons.

ceejayoz 2y ago
And these road issues apply to people selling photos, but not those just posting them to Instagram?
- akira2501 2y ago
  Here's the site: https://aerospace.org/sites/default/files/styles/hero_small/public/2022-07/52187804215_e2ce1d1cbc_4k.jpg?itok=ee6FTD7J https://aerospace.org/sites/default/files/styles/hero_small/... It's hard for me to believe that anyone can't look at this and just see the obvious administrative issues involved.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    It's hard for me to understand how the administrative issues could only apply to photographers who sell prints but not those who merely post to social. If you need to limit numbers, issue press passes to orgs and give a certain number of remaining slots away via lottery.
    - akira2501 2y ago
      > could only apply to photographers who sell prints but not those who merely post to social. They tend to be more aggressive. Their familiarity with the site lends them to act like they own it or that their presence is more justified than a mere casual. They camp out and grab spots or pre-register in a way the precludes other more casual participants from ever getting a pass. They create administrative burden where none might otherwise exist. > If you need to limit numbers I think they want to limit the behavior. This is a favor they are doing for interested parties. It's a shame that some people tend to ruin it. Perhaps I'm being _exceptionally_ charitable to ULA here, but in my experience with similar situations, I genuinely think that's what is occurring here. Which explains their reticence to speak on the issue and the for profit photographers clearly getting a puff piece written exclusively from their point of view.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        So we’ve moved on from space issues to road issues to another hypothesis. Is there any evidence for the behavior you now assert is happening?
squigz 2y ago
What has changed? Are ULA launches suddenly much more popular that they need to consider space constraints?

ceejayoz 2y ago

And these road issues apply to people selling photos, but not those just posting them to Instagram?

akira2501 2y ago
Here's the site: https://aerospace.org/sites/default/files/styles/hero_small/public/2022-07/52187804215_e2ce1d1cbc_4k.jpg?itok=ee6FTD7J https://aerospace.org/sites/default/files/styles/hero_small/... It's hard for me to believe that anyone can't look at this and just see the obvious administrative issues involved.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  It's hard for me to understand how the administrative issues could only apply to photographers who sell prints but not those who merely post to social. If you need to limit numbers, issue press passes to orgs and give a certain number of remaining slots away via lottery.
  - akira2501 2y ago
    > could only apply to photographers who sell prints but not those who merely post to social. They tend to be more aggressive. Their familiarity with the site lends them to act like they own it or that their presence is more justified than a mere casual. They camp out and grab spots or pre-register in a way the precludes other more casual participants from ever getting a pass. They create administrative burden where none might otherwise exist. > If you need to limit numbers I think they want to limit the behavior. This is a favor they are doing for interested parties. It's a shame that some people tend to ruin it. Perhaps I'm being _exceptionally_ charitable to ULA here, but in my experience with similar situations, I genuinely think that's what is occurring here. Which explains their reticence to speak on the issue and the for profit photographers clearly getting a puff piece written exclusively from their point of view.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      So we’ve moved on from space issues to road issues to another hypothesis. Is there any evidence for the behavior you now assert is happening?

squigz 2y ago

What has changed? Are ULA launches suddenly much more popular that they need to consider space constraints?