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It's sad that this is the most down voted comment. Do you all seriously expect to get massive amounts of content for free without ads? What is the solution here

It's sad that this is the most down voted comment. Do you all seriously expect to get massive amounts of content for free without ads? What is the solution here? Please do tell because I can't figure it out.

thunky 2y ago
They're also ignoring the fact that content creators profit from the ads as well, which is obviously a huge incentive for them to produce good content.
- manuelmoreale 2y ago
  I asked this elsewhere, I’m gonna ask you here again: if I pay for premium am I then going to be served a version of the video without the creator’s built in sponsor ad reads? No? Then most creators are also part of the problem.
  - thunky 2y ago
    Ok then if the creators are bad and the platform is bad then it should be pretty easy for you to stop supporting them (and stop complaining).
    - manuelmoreale 2y ago
      Am I complaining? I support creators directly because it’s a more fair exchange imo. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in this whole situation when it comes to YouTube and paying for premium.
      - thunky 2y ago
        > Am I complaining? Yes. > I support creators directly because it’s a more fair exchange imo Ok that's nice. But what you're doing is an add-on, not a replacement for the original product being sold at the seller's terms (what you're complaining about). If the creators you want to support choose to distribute their content exclusively from an ad-funded system, then you have no choice to but to either (1) watch the ads (2) pay to not watch the ads or 3) stop supporting the creator. If you choose (2) and the creators still sneak ads into their content, then you have still the choice to (2a) watch the ads (2b) fast forward the ads (3) stop supporting the creator. You're choosing (1) and then complaining that you have to watch ads, which doesn't make sense.
        manuelmoreale 2y ago
        You're forgetting option 4) Use an adblocker, don't watch ads, contribute in other ways. And again, I'm not complaining about anything. I run adblockers, my youtube consumption is probably < 30 minutes a year so it's not even an issue for me personally. I'm just pointing out the double standard applied to creators: we're hurting them when we block ads but we should be fine getting served ads from them even when we're paying for an ad free experience. Why that double standard exists? No clue.
        thunky 2y ago
        > You're forgetting option 4) Use an adblocker, don't watch ads, contribute in other ways. Well this thread is about how using an adblocker is becoming increasingly difficult, which is causing a lot of upset. And "contribute in other ways" is not really a solution. If everyone did what you do, YouTube would shut down. > I'm just pointing out the double standard applied to creators I don't think it's a double standard. The creators are choosing to inject ads into their content because they want more money. If people like you were paying for Premium instead of blocking ads maybe they wouldn't feel the need to do this as often, who knows. Either way, it's their choice and they're free to make their channel 99% ads if they think it will benefit them. As a paying Premium subscriber, I don't like injected ads either. If I see them I fast forward, and if that gets too annoying then I unsubscribe.
        manuelmoreale 2y ago
        > Either way, it's their choice Absolutely, I'm just asking why they get a pass. If companies do it we're all enraged but if creators do it it's fine. It's just plain weird. > If I see them I fast forward Would you do the same if youtube started showing you ads even though you're subscribed to premium? Would you just shrugh it out as a "well they want more money"? I'd bet no, you'd probably be pissed and rightfully so.
        thunky 2y ago
        > Absolutely, I'm just asking why they get a pass I agree, I don't know why people criticize Google but not the creators. Personally, I'm not criticizing either. > I'd bet no, you'd probably be pissed and rightfully so. I'd be disappointed, and then I'd have to decide if I wanted to keep paying them or take my business elsewhere. I wouldn't be pissed, though. Because Google doesn't owe me anything. Just like the creators, they're running a business, so it is what it is. I believe in free markets and if Google stops making a product worth paying for it will work itself out via a competitor taking market share or something else.
Marsymars 2y ago
My problem is that I don't use YouTube to consume massive amounts of content. I use it to watch a single video every 3-4 months about how to replace a filter in my car, or adjust a valve in my sodastream. Ads are unacceptable, and premium is terrible value for me.
- poikroequ 2y ago
  Being forced to watch one or two ads every 3-4 months is unacceptable?
  - Marsymars 2y ago
    I don't consider any commercial advertisements in my life to be acceptable. I feel strongly about that, and in general, I'm willing to pay to avoid ads, or to forego things that have unavoidable ads. As far is the web goes, I've been blocking ads since ~2000 (using Intermute's AdSubtract at the time). One time I took a plane flight where they began the flight by turning off the in-flight entertainment controls, playing some ads on the in-seat TVs, and piping the audio over the plane's PA system. I wrote to the airline as well as the advertisers to express my disgust for that practice. (Thankfully, that doesn't seem to have become a regular thing since then.) The only ads I'm subjected to on any regular basis are highway billboards, and I write to my representatives every year or two to remind them that we should ban billboards, or at least hold a referendum so that citizens can decide whether we should be allowing them. (Which I expect would pass overwhelmingly, with a margin like the Alaskan ballot measure.) So, yeah, that's how I feel about ads. As I've said, the problem with YouTube Premium is just that it's bad value for my use... if I stop being able to access ad-free YouTube, it's probably cheaper for me to just stop fixing my own things (e.g. I'll pay the dealer to swap my air filters and I'll just throw out the sodastream and buy a new one.) I guess if I ever run into high-value things to fix myself, I'll just churn YouTube like people do other streaming platforms; sign up for Premium, fix my thing, (and save the video, assuming yt-dlp still works) and then cancel my subscription.
    - rideontime 2y ago
      I'm not sure your math is adding up! A YouTube Premium subscription is only $13.99 per month, or $139.99 when billed annually.

thunky 2y ago

They're also ignoring the fact that content creators profit from the ads as well, which is obviously a huge incentive for them to produce good content.

manuelmoreale 2y ago
I asked this elsewhere, I’m gonna ask you here again: if I pay for premium am I then going to be served a version of the video without the creator’s built in sponsor ad reads? No? Then most creators are also part of the problem.
- thunky 2y ago
  Ok then if the creators are bad and the platform is bad then it should be pretty easy for you to stop supporting them (and stop complaining).
  - manuelmoreale 2y ago
    Am I complaining? I support creators directly because it’s a more fair exchange imo. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in this whole situation when it comes to YouTube and paying for premium.
    - thunky 2y ago
      > Am I complaining? Yes. > I support creators directly because it’s a more fair exchange imo Ok that's nice. But what you're doing is an add-on, not a replacement for the original product being sold at the seller's terms (what you're complaining about). If the creators you want to support choose to distribute their content exclusively from an ad-funded system, then you have no choice to but to either (1) watch the ads (2) pay to not watch the ads or 3) stop supporting the creator. If you choose (2) and the creators still sneak ads into their content, then you have still the choice to (2a) watch the ads (2b) fast forward the ads (3) stop supporting the creator. You're choosing (1) and then complaining that you have to watch ads, which doesn't make sense.
      - manuelmoreale 2y ago
        You're forgetting option 4) Use an adblocker, don't watch ads, contribute in other ways. And again, I'm not complaining about anything. I run adblockers, my youtube consumption is probably < 30 minutes a year so it's not even an issue for me personally. I'm just pointing out the double standard applied to creators: we're hurting them when we block ads but we should be fine getting served ads from them even when we're paying for an ad free experience. Why that double standard exists? No clue.
        thunky 2y ago
        > You're forgetting option 4) Use an adblocker, don't watch ads, contribute in other ways. Well this thread is about how using an adblocker is becoming increasingly difficult, which is causing a lot of upset. And "contribute in other ways" is not really a solution. If everyone did what you do, YouTube would shut down. > I'm just pointing out the double standard applied to creators I don't think it's a double standard. The creators are choosing to inject ads into their content because they want more money. If people like you were paying for Premium instead of blocking ads maybe they wouldn't feel the need to do this as often, who knows. Either way, it's their choice and they're free to make their channel 99% ads if they think it will benefit them. As a paying Premium subscriber, I don't like injected ads either. If I see them I fast forward, and if that gets too annoying then I unsubscribe.
        manuelmoreale 2y ago
        > Either way, it's their choice Absolutely, I'm just asking why they get a pass. If companies do it we're all enraged but if creators do it it's fine. It's just plain weird. > If I see them I fast forward Would you do the same if youtube started showing you ads even though you're subscribed to premium? Would you just shrugh it out as a "well they want more money"? I'd bet no, you'd probably be pissed and rightfully so.
        thunky 2y ago
        > Absolutely, I'm just asking why they get a pass I agree, I don't know why people criticize Google but not the creators. Personally, I'm not criticizing either. > I'd bet no, you'd probably be pissed and rightfully so. I'd be disappointed, and then I'd have to decide if I wanted to keep paying them or take my business elsewhere. I wouldn't be pissed, though. Because Google doesn't owe me anything. Just like the creators, they're running a business, so it is what it is. I believe in free markets and if Google stops making a product worth paying for it will work itself out via a competitor taking market share or something else.

Marsymars 2y ago

My problem is that I don't use YouTube to consume massive amounts of content. I use it to watch a single video every 3-4 months about how to replace a filter in my car, or adjust a valve in my sodastream. Ads are unacceptable, and premium is terrible value for me.

poikroequ 2y ago
Being forced to watch one or two ads every 3-4 months is unacceptable?
- Marsymars 2y ago
  I don't consider any commercial advertisements in my life to be acceptable. I feel strongly about that, and in general, I'm willing to pay to avoid ads, or to forego things that have unavoidable ads. As far is the web goes, I've been blocking ads since ~2000 (using Intermute's AdSubtract at the time). One time I took a plane flight where they began the flight by turning off the in-flight entertainment controls, playing some ads on the in-seat TVs, and piping the audio over the plane's PA system. I wrote to the airline as well as the advertisers to express my disgust for that practice. (Thankfully, that doesn't seem to have become a regular thing since then.) The only ads I'm subjected to on any regular basis are highway billboards, and I write to my representatives every year or two to remind them that we should ban billboards, or at least hold a referendum so that citizens can decide whether we should be allowing them. (Which I expect would pass overwhelmingly, with a margin like the Alaskan ballot measure.) So, yeah, that's how I feel about ads. As I've said, the problem with YouTube Premium is just that it's bad value for my use... if I stop being able to access ad-free YouTube, it's probably cheaper for me to just stop fixing my own things (e.g. I'll pay the dealer to swap my air filters and I'll just throw out the sodastream and buy a new one.) I guess if I ever run into high-value things to fix myself, I'll just churn YouTube like people do other streaming platforms; sign up for Premium, fix my thing, (and save the video, assuming yt-dlp still works) and then cancel my subscription.
  - rideontime 2y ago
    I'm not sure your math is adding up! A YouTube Premium subscription is only $13.99 per month, or $139.99 when billed annually.