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You don't think increased volatility in weather and storms is bad? I would love to hear how increased uncertainty over next year's growing season, floods, storm

by mempko 2y ago

You don't think increased volatility in weather and storms is bad? I would love to hear how increased uncertainty over next year's growing season, floods, storms, etc would be a good thing. It's not like deserts become green with calm weather...

glitchc 2y ago
I'm saying that thinking things won't change is bad. Change is an inevitable result of progress. Folks who want to reduce change want to slow progress down to "a manageable speed." And of course, no two individuals can agree on what that speed is. There are some for whom any forward progress is too much, so they'll never agree. That's why it's a mug's game, not worth playing. If death of the species lies anywhere, it's in stagnation. As soon as we stagnate, we will start to die. That's the fundamental lesson of nature.
- burkaman 2y ago
  The way we're going to prevent unnecessary climate change is to progress beyond historic methods of energy generation, transportation, contruction, etc. rather than stagnating and just sticking with what we know how to do. The only people I see promoting stagnation are those with a large financial stake in legacy industries who see recent technological advancements as a threat to their bank accounts.
- hooverd 2y ago
  There are plenty of species that hit a local maxima are cruising along just fine, like horseshoe crabs. We're probably not one of them though.
  - mempko 2y ago
    Looks like global warming is killing the horseshoe crabs too. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100830131344.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100830131344.h...
- energy123 2y ago
  I'm not against change, I'm against change in a bad direction. I don't want democracies to change into autocracies. I don't want peace to change into war. I don't want the equator to change into a place that's too hot to live in, creating a lot of suffering and refugees and political instability in colder countries that have to receive refugees. I do want good sources of change, like the GHG-decoupled economic growth we've been seeing, and technology and science breakthroughs.
- mempko 2y ago
  How is global warming progress? Or are you saying the consequence of progress is massive amounts of pollution, and that anyone trying to stop said pollution is out there to stop progress? Nothing is indicating to me that we are actually progressing. What I'm seeing is stagnation (we keep doing the same stupid things). Progress to me would mean fewer problems, not more.

by mempko 2y ago

glitchc 2y ago

I'm saying that thinking things won't change is bad. Change is an inevitable result of progress. Folks who want to reduce change want to slow progress down to "a manageable speed." And of course, no two individuals can agree on what that speed is. There are some for whom any forward progress is too much, so they'll never agree. That's why it's a mug's game, not worth playing. If death of the species lies anywhere, it's in stagnation. As soon as we stagnate, we will start to die. That's the fundamental lesson of nature.

burkaman 2y ago
The way we're going to prevent unnecessary climate change is to progress beyond historic methods of energy generation, transportation, contruction, etc. rather than stagnating and just sticking with what we know how to do. The only people I see promoting stagnation are those with a large financial stake in legacy industries who see recent technological advancements as a threat to their bank accounts.
hooverd 2y ago
There are plenty of species that hit a local maxima are cruising along just fine, like horseshoe crabs. We're probably not one of them though.
- mempko 2y ago
  Looks like global warming is killing the horseshoe crabs too. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100830131344.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100830131344.h...
energy123 2y ago
I'm not against change, I'm against change in a bad direction. I don't want democracies to change into autocracies. I don't want peace to change into war. I don't want the equator to change into a place that's too hot to live in, creating a lot of suffering and refugees and political instability in colder countries that have to receive refugees. I do want good sources of change, like the GHG-decoupled economic growth we've been seeing, and technology and science breakthroughs.
mempko 2y ago
How is global warming progress? Or are you saying the consequence of progress is massive amounts of pollution, and that anyone trying to stop said pollution is out there to stop progress? Nothing is indicating to me that we are actually progressing. What I'm seeing is stagnation (we keep doing the same stupid things). Progress to me would mean fewer problems, not more.