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> Ukrainian refugees I know are finding the same things in the UK school system, where the maths is much less advanced. This doesn't appear to be reflected in

> Ukrainian refugees I know are finding the same things in the UK school system, where the maths is much less advanced. This doesn't appear to be reflected in PISA scores (489 UK, 441 Ukraine)

mapcars 2y ago
Maybe because UK education system knows about this PISA and Ukraine and other countries don't even care? For example one thing that puzzles me in western education is this reading comprehension. What exactly is this for? I studied in Russian school/university and we had nothing like that. Reading means you should understand what you are reading, reading without comprehension is just nonsense for me.
- lomase 2y ago
  I am Spanish. We call it text analysis and it is quit common at all levels in school and university.
  - mapcars 2y ago
    So what exactly is it supposed to teach/train? If I understand meaning of individual words in the text I just put them together and I understand it. If its relatively complex topic I would sit and think about it.
    - lomase 2y ago
      It teach you resources for text construction. The different meanings of a word relative to its semantic enviroment. When, how, and why to use all the different time vebrs. How to understand and use figures of speech. And it gives you tools to analyze all of that. People dont do that in Ukranian?
      - mapcars 2y ago
        First of all I must say that I can only speak about Russian schooling, Ukranian is probably similar but I can't be sure about it. > resources for text construction Not sure I understand this, there are words in a given language, you put them together and you have your text. > The different meanings of a word relative to its semantic enviroment. I agree that some words may have multiple meanings, but this again sounds to me like a language skill, be able to understand what exactly each word means in a context. Not sure how this is different for reading or speaking. > When, how, and why to use all the different time vebrs. This is an interesting one, I guess in Russian (I assume its similar in Ukranian) we don't have many complex time forms, I know in English and Spanish there are like 10 or more. Somehow we only studied language and literature and did some exercises related to reading and understanding text, but it is not a whole separate subject. In each school class kids are supposed to read books and learn from them, just like that.

> Ukrainian refugees I know are finding the same things in the UK school system, where the maths is much less advanced. This doesn't appear to be reflected in PISA scores (489 UK, 441 Ukraine)

mapcars 2y ago

Maybe because UK education system knows about this PISA and Ukraine and other countries don't even care? For example one thing that puzzles me in western education is this reading comprehension. What exactly is this for? I studied in Russian school/university and we had nothing like that. Reading means you should understand what you are reading, reading without comprehension is just nonsense for me.

lomase 2y ago
I am Spanish. We call it text analysis and it is quit common at all levels in school and university.
- mapcars 2y ago
  So what exactly is it supposed to teach/train? If I understand meaning of individual words in the text I just put them together and I understand it. If its relatively complex topic I would sit and think about it.
  - lomase 2y ago
    It teach you resources for text construction. The different meanings of a word relative to its semantic enviroment. When, how, and why to use all the different time vebrs. How to understand and use figures of speech. And it gives you tools to analyze all of that. People dont do that in Ukranian?
    - mapcars 2y ago
      First of all I must say that I can only speak about Russian schooling, Ukranian is probably similar but I can't be sure about it. > resources for text construction Not sure I understand this, there are words in a given language, you put them together and you have your text. > The different meanings of a word relative to its semantic enviroment. I agree that some words may have multiple meanings, but this again sounds to me like a language skill, be able to understand what exactly each word means in a context. Not sure how this is different for reading or speaking. > When, how, and why to use all the different time vebrs. This is an interesting one, I guess in Russian (I assume its similar in Ukranian) we don't have many complex time forms, I know in English and Spanish there are like 10 or more. Somehow we only studied language and literature and did some exercises related to reading and understanding text, but it is not a whole separate subject. In each school class kids are supposed to read books and learn from them, just like that.