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Growing up in a ex-soviet country, "sugar rush" wasn't a thing. In fact, when I was a kid, sugar water was given to children to get them to calm down. It wasn't

by Zanfa 2y ago

Growing up in a ex-soviet country, "sugar rush" wasn't a thing. In fact, when I was a kid, sugar water was given to children to get them to calm down. It wasn't until recently that it's become a term here, probably introduced from US media.

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bestouff 2y ago
Same from France
nostrademons 2y ago
Sugar water is also given to newborns in the U.S. as an anesthetic for minor surgical procedures like circumcisions and tongue-tie releases.
- watwut 2y ago
  That sounds scary, sugar is not anesthetic.
  - nostrademons 2y ago
    Apparently it is for newborns. Either that or we're just indifferent to their pain, which also seems very plausible to me.
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
      My heart broke in so many ways when I had to put my child through tongue tie release surgery. Yes most people I talked to, professionals included, answered "they won't remember", which to me felt like the most dystopian answer of all. As if the problem with pain is the memory of it.
      - giantg2 2y ago
        What are you suggesting? I don't know of any long-term effects from short-term pain when the pain can't be remembered.
        saint_fiasco 2y ago
        The short term effect of pain is that it is unpleasant. There is no need to appeal to long term effects when someone is clearly suffering right there and then.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        Thank you
        giantg2 2y ago
        So by your logic, why should I work if I suffer at work? There are plenty of longterm factors and trade offs to consider. Temporary pain shouldn't be avoided as much as it is today.
        saint_fiasco 2y ago
        You shouldn't suffer at work if you can work without suffering. This sounds like I'm being pedantic because no one would never be in favor of suffering for no benefit, I'm arguing against a strawman. But in the context of babies suffering, it might surprise you to learn that doctors used to give zero thought to their suffering at all, believing that they don't become conscious until they grow a little. Apparently when they screamed in pain it was like a mechanical autonomous response to a stimulus, not real human pain. They weren't just being sadists. Applying anesthesia is always risky and if you can get away with not doing it then it's sometimes worth engaging in a bit of rationalization to ease the conscience.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        What saint_fiasco said: > The short term effect of pain is that it is unpleasant. There is no need to appeal to long term effects when someone is clearly suffering right there and then. There is also the fact that trauma is a thing that's not deeply researched, we don't know if pain trauma in babies could affect them later in life.
    - Balgair 2y ago
      https://www.rch.org.au/rchcpg/hospital_clinical_guideline_index/sucrose_oral_for_procedural_pain_management_in_infants/ https://www.rch.org.au/rchcpg/hospital_clinical_guideline_in... Sucrose is considered a mild analgesic for infants under 18 months More broadly: The human nervous system undergoes a lot of changes during maturation. As an example, some NMDA receptors in the prefrontal cortex become inhibitory during puberty whereas they were previously excitatory. Essentially a polarity switch in the some of the reasoning centers of the brain. Very broadly, and to get my super asshole-y pedantic Socratic hat on: What is pain anyway? Like, if you can't remember it, is that even pain? What does it mean to 'remember'? Can a grasshopper or a yeast cell feel 'pain' if it doesn't have consciousness? Is an infant really conscious? What does it mean to feel something anyway? Are feelings even 'real'? How the fuck do we even know anything really anyway? This is, again, super pedantic Socratic asshole philosophy bullshit, but it does end up mattering in the context of infants. And, also, to be super clear here, I'm not advocating for causing pain to infants here.
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saint_fiasco 2y ago
Same here in South America. We even give children coffee and it causes no apparent issues. Admittedly this coffee is taken with lots of milk, but even that is only because children don't like the bitter taste. Over-stimulation was never even a consideration. I thought sugar rushes was a culture-bound syndrome in which children in the US go hyperactive and other children do not. From the article, it seems like it's something even more mundane than that, and children in the US never got hyperactive from sugar at all.

by Zanfa 2y ago

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bestouff 2y ago

Same from France

nostrademons 2y ago

Sugar water is also given to newborns in the U.S. as an anesthetic for minor surgical procedures like circumcisions and tongue-tie releases.

watwut 2y ago
That sounds scary, sugar is not anesthetic.
- nostrademons 2y ago
  Apparently it is for newborns. Either that or we're just indifferent to their pain, which also seems very plausible to me.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    My heart broke in so many ways when I had to put my child through tongue tie release surgery. Yes most people I talked to, professionals included, answered "they won't remember", which to me felt like the most dystopian answer of all. As if the problem with pain is the memory of it.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      What are you suggesting? I don't know of any long-term effects from short-term pain when the pain can't be remembered.
      - saint_fiasco 2y ago
        The short term effect of pain is that it is unpleasant. There is no need to appeal to long term effects when someone is clearly suffering right there and then.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        Thank you
        giantg2 2y ago
        So by your logic, why should I work if I suffer at work? There are plenty of longterm factors and trade offs to consider. Temporary pain shouldn't be avoided as much as it is today.
        saint_fiasco 2y ago
        You shouldn't suffer at work if you can work without suffering. This sounds like I'm being pedantic because no one would never be in favor of suffering for no benefit, I'm arguing against a strawman. But in the context of babies suffering, it might surprise you to learn that doctors used to give zero thought to their suffering at all, believing that they don't become conscious until they grow a little. Apparently when they screamed in pain it was like a mechanical autonomous response to a stimulus, not real human pain. They weren't just being sadists. Applying anesthesia is always risky and if you can get away with not doing it then it's sometimes worth engaging in a bit of rationalization to ease the conscience.
      - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        What saint_fiasco said: > The short term effect of pain is that it is unpleasant. There is no need to appeal to long term effects when someone is clearly suffering right there and then. There is also the fact that trauma is a thing that's not deeply researched, we don't know if pain trauma in babies could affect them later in life.
  - Balgair 2y ago
    https://www.rch.org.au/rchcpg/hospital_clinical_guideline_index/sucrose_oral_for_procedural_pain_management_in_infants/ https://www.rch.org.au/rchcpg/hospital_clinical_guideline_in... Sucrose is considered a mild analgesic for infants under 18 months More broadly: The human nervous system undergoes a lot of changes during maturation. As an example, some NMDA receptors in the prefrontal cortex become inhibitory during puberty whereas they were previously excitatory. Essentially a polarity switch in the some of the reasoning centers of the brain. Very broadly, and to get my super asshole-y pedantic Socratic hat on: What is pain anyway? Like, if you can't remember it, is that even pain? What does it mean to 'remember'? Can a grasshopper or a yeast cell feel 'pain' if it doesn't have consciousness? Is an infant really conscious? What does it mean to feel something anyway? Are feelings even 'real'? How the fuck do we even know anything really anyway? This is, again, super pedantic Socratic asshole philosophy bullshit, but it does end up mattering in the context of infants. And, also, to be super clear here, I'm not advocating for causing pain to infants here.
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saint_fiasco 2y ago

Same here in South America. We even give children coffee and it causes no apparent issues. Admittedly this coffee is taken with lots of milk, but even that is only because children don't like the bitter taste. Over-stimulation was never even a consideration. I thought sugar rushes was a culture-bound syndrome in which children in the US go hyperactive and other children do not. From the article, it seems like it's something even more mundane than that, and children in the US never got hyperactive from sugar at all.