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Beating an old, weathered drum - How can people be so disconnected that they believe some paper on the internet over their own bodies? Try drinking a big glass

by sdwr 2y ago

Beating an old, weathered drum - How can people be so disconnected that they believe some paper on the internet over their own bodies? Try drinking a big glass of fruit juice and observing that: - there's a near-immediate "up" effect - that's stronger the less sugar/carbs you've ingested recently - consuming a lot of refined sugar traps you in a up/crash cycle that looks a lot like (a milder version of) drug dependence

sbelskie 2y ago
Have you considered that your experience may not be universal? I don’t experience any of what you’re talking about.
resource_waste 2y ago
As someone with diabetes. Yes yes yes. As someone who runs distance, yes yes yes. Here is a better question: Does higher blood sugar make someone feel higher energy? If we can solve that problem, we can likely answer the question about children using logic rather than subjectives.
n4r9 2y ago
You could just as easily argue that photons stop moving when you close your eyes.
malicka 2y ago
With things like this, we trust papers over ourselves because of confirmation bias and the placebo effect. The sugar rush in particular is very culturally prominent, so the seeds of that bias are well-planted in all of us. Arguing against that principle is arguing for pseudo-science: “Acupuncture works, I tried it!,” “Crystal-healing works, I tried it! Don’t trust a paper over your own body!”
rtkwe 2y ago
It's because personal experience lies to you a lot. People are garbage at consistently and accurately recalling events over time unless they're taking notes about what's happening and reviewing those. It's also important to note what the studies are actually looking at, it isn't saying there's no energy boost but that there's no effect on "children’s behavior or cognition" people misremember and misattribute things all the time so it's important to study things scientifically it's the whole reason we use the technique.
- sdwr 2y ago
  We can't measure everything. Self-reporting + averaging misses subtle results, or even regular-sized results looked at the wrong way. There's also the secondary layer - people are social creatures, and adjust our behavior to match what is allowed or expected. The scientific system is designed for inanimate objects that function the same way every time. Why is it so hard to believe that the test is flawed, not the experience?
  - rtkwe 2y ago
    > Why is it so hard to believe that the test is flawed, not the experience? It's multiple tests performed multiple ways by different people thinking about how to adapt to the issues that trying to measure people poses. That's far more convincing to me than adhoc non rigorous common knowledge. We're so beset by failures in our ability to draw good conclusions from non rigorous anecdata, confirmation bias, selection bias, hidden factors, faulty recall, etc, that I'm really hard pressed to believe anecdotal data when it contradicts multiple studies.
astura 2y ago
I've never experienced an "up" effective from fruit juice. Never as a child nor as an adult. I presume it's because I never had that cultural expectation. I never heard of any of this "sugar rush" nonsense before I had access to the Internet, which wasn't until my late teens.
omnicognate 2y ago
I'd suggest getting tested for insulin resistance / prediabetes.
watwut 2y ago
Yes, if you are hungry and eat sugar, it metabolizes fast and you will be more active. That is not sugar high, that is how you should be all the time, you was just numbed by hunger.

by sdwr 2y ago

sbelskie 2y ago

Have you considered that your experience may not be universal? I don’t experience any of what you’re talking about.

resource_waste 2y ago

As someone with diabetes. Yes yes yes. As someone who runs distance, yes yes yes. Here is a better question: Does higher blood sugar make someone feel higher energy? If we can solve that problem, we can likely answer the question about children using logic rather than subjectives.

n4r9 2y ago

You could just as easily argue that photons stop moving when you close your eyes.

malicka 2y ago

With things like this, we trust papers over ourselves because of confirmation bias and the placebo effect. The sugar rush in particular is very culturally prominent, so the seeds of that bias are well-planted in all of us. Arguing against that principle is arguing for pseudo-science: “Acupuncture works, I tried it!,” “Crystal-healing works, I tried it! Don’t trust a paper over your own body!”

rtkwe 2y ago

It's because personal experience lies to you a lot. People are garbage at consistently and accurately recalling events over time unless they're taking notes about what's happening and reviewing those. It's also important to note what the studies are actually looking at, it isn't saying there's no energy boost but that there's no effect on "children’s behavior or cognition" people misremember and misattribute things all the time so it's important to study things scientifically it's the whole reason we use the technique.

sdwr 2y ago
We can't measure everything. Self-reporting + averaging misses subtle results, or even regular-sized results looked at the wrong way. There's also the secondary layer - people are social creatures, and adjust our behavior to match what is allowed or expected. The scientific system is designed for inanimate objects that function the same way every time. Why is it so hard to believe that the test is flawed, not the experience?
- rtkwe 2y ago
  > Why is it so hard to believe that the test is flawed, not the experience? It's multiple tests performed multiple ways by different people thinking about how to adapt to the issues that trying to measure people poses. That's far more convincing to me than adhoc non rigorous common knowledge. We're so beset by failures in our ability to draw good conclusions from non rigorous anecdata, confirmation bias, selection bias, hidden factors, faulty recall, etc, that I'm really hard pressed to believe anecdotal data when it contradicts multiple studies.

astura 2y ago

I've never experienced an "up" effective from fruit juice. Never as a child nor as an adult. I presume it's because I never had that cultural expectation. I never heard of any of this "sugar rush" nonsense before I had access to the Internet, which wasn't until my late teens.

omnicognate 2y ago

I'd suggest getting tested for insulin resistance / prediabetes.

watwut 2y ago

Yes, if you are hungry and eat sugar, it metabolizes fast and you will be more active. That is not sugar high, that is how you should be all the time, you was just numbed by hunger.