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> But will computer science education be relevant in the next 10 yrs when everyone is going to be a prompt engineer. AI runs on computers so there will always

by thefz 2y ago

> But will computer science education be relevant in the next 10 yrs when everyone is going to be a prompt engineer. AI runs on computers so there will always be someone that needs to understand cpu microcode, firmware, operating systems... and at a lower level, electronics.

krapp 2y ago
Not many. AI will be designing the chips, running the factories, and writing the firmware and OS. A consequence of the normalization of AI will be the belief that low-level or mission critical programming is too important or complex to allow human beings into the loop, that it would be dangerous for humans to even know about such things.
- jeremyjh 2y ago
  "Make shit up that sounds plausible" is actually not a useful strategy for running real world operations. Yet so many people are so certain as you are - when all they've seen is a convincing bullshit artist.
  - krapp 2y ago
    >"Make shit up that sounds plausible" is actually not a useful strategy for running real world operations. That's often how the real world works, though. Rich, powerful people decide this is going to be the future and they throw money and infrastructure at it until it happens or the economy collapses. Lather, rinse, repeat. I think in the short term you're correct because AI often doesn't live up to the hype (especially where the arts are concerned,) and it may take one or two AI winters and hype cycles to get there, but I've already seen AI do too many "impossible" things for me to be confident that it will remain bullshit forever.
    - jeremyjh 2y ago
      > That's often how the real world works, though. Rich, powerful people Are not running operations. They hire the people that do.
    - thefz 2y ago
      > That's often how the real world works, though. No. If your house stands up or the light switches on when you press a button, it is all because someone did their homework and was good at their job. Sometimes I wonder if people dream of an AI-driven (not the current AI, AGI) because it means they will not have to learn anything anymore.
- EliRivers 2y ago
  Did it not turn out that AIs creating output based on AI-created output, iteratively, pretty quickly turns into nonsense? That would suggest that we'll need humans always to provide training material, and for that training material to be meaningful, it'll have to be created by humans who know what they're doing.
  - Filligree 2y ago
    No, that only happens if you don’t filter the output for correctness. Any amount of feedback from reality reverses the effect.
    - EliRivers 2y ago
      I see. And who will be providing that assessment of correctness? Will it be humans?
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - Filligree 2y ago
        Sure, that's one option. If the AI is smart enough, then it could also do its own experiments. Or if it's embodied...
  - msnkarthik 2y ago
    That's an interesting thought.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  Recursive heuristics cycle in popularity, as corporate boards dream of replacing their biggest operational labor cost with a black-box. Flooding the market with half-wits using taxpayer money only bid down "skilled" labor costs 30%, but people soon realized skilled labor scarcity will always be present in expanding markets. "the belief that low-level or mission critical programming is too important or complex to allow human beings into the loop" lol... You are a deadpan comedian friend, as anyone that knows the details of most modern ML platforms wouldn't ever step foot in a fully ML/AI powered car. Why? because it brings unpredictable liabilities caused by countless edge cases. This is still speculative science-fiction, and the mantra of people trying to hype their stock valuations. Don't worry about it friend... The boards are just scared the IT/Dev folks will unionize, and finally take over planetary operations =3
- hulitu 2y ago
  > AI will be designing the chips, running the factories, and writing the firmware and OS. TBH, it seems that Windows is already written by AI and even the product manager is an AI. And Crowdstrike also employs AI to deploy its product. /s
- thefz 2y ago
  Do you think that the pachinko-with-words we call "AI" today will be able to run a factory? It can't even do arithmetics...
  - Bluestein 2y ago
    > pachinko-with-words Heh. Quite the image.-
  - krapp 2y ago
    Today? Maybe not. But I'm talking about the future. And many factories are almost entirely automated now, anyway. You don't have guys lined up beside a conveyor belt tightening screws like in the 1950s. Also many manufacturing companies are already using AI[0] and investing in it[1]. So yeah. Laugh all you want. I get it. But companies are willing to move heaven and earth and boil the oceans to make it happen, so if it can, it will. [0]https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-manufacturing-robots-automation https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-manufacturing... [1]https://www.azumuta.com/blog/future-of-ai-in-manufacturing/ https://www.azumuta.com/blog/future-of-ai-in-manufacturing/

by thefz 2y ago

krapp 2y ago

Not many. AI will be designing the chips, running the factories, and writing the firmware and OS. A consequence of the normalization of AI will be the belief that low-level or mission critical programming is too important or complex to allow human beings into the loop, that it would be dangerous for humans to even know about such things.

jeremyjh 2y ago
"Make shit up that sounds plausible" is actually not a useful strategy for running real world operations. Yet so many people are so certain as you are - when all they've seen is a convincing bullshit artist.
- krapp 2y ago
  >"Make shit up that sounds plausible" is actually not a useful strategy for running real world operations. That's often how the real world works, though. Rich, powerful people decide this is going to be the future and they throw money and infrastructure at it until it happens or the economy collapses. Lather, rinse, repeat. I think in the short term you're correct because AI often doesn't live up to the hype (especially where the arts are concerned,) and it may take one or two AI winters and hype cycles to get there, but I've already seen AI do too many "impossible" things for me to be confident that it will remain bullshit forever.
  - jeremyjh 2y ago
    > That's often how the real world works, though. Rich, powerful people Are not running operations. They hire the people that do.
  - thefz 2y ago
    > That's often how the real world works, though. No. If your house stands up or the light switches on when you press a button, it is all because someone did their homework and was good at their job. Sometimes I wonder if people dream of an AI-driven (not the current AI, AGI) because it means they will not have to learn anything anymore.
EliRivers 2y ago
Did it not turn out that AIs creating output based on AI-created output, iteratively, pretty quickly turns into nonsense? That would suggest that we'll need humans always to provide training material, and for that training material to be meaningful, it'll have to be created by humans who know what they're doing.
- Filligree 2y ago
  No, that only happens if you don’t filter the output for correctness. Any amount of feedback from reality reverses the effect.
  - EliRivers 2y ago
    I see. And who will be providing that assessment of correctness? Will it be humans?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - Filligree 2y ago
      Sure, that's one option. If the AI is smart enough, then it could also do its own experiments. Or if it's embodied...
- msnkarthik 2y ago
  That's an interesting thought.
Joel_Mckay 2y ago
Recursive heuristics cycle in popularity, as corporate boards dream of replacing their biggest operational labor cost with a black-box. Flooding the market with half-wits using taxpayer money only bid down "skilled" labor costs 30%, but people soon realized skilled labor scarcity will always be present in expanding markets. "the belief that low-level or mission critical programming is too important or complex to allow human beings into the loop" lol... You are a deadpan comedian friend, as anyone that knows the details of most modern ML platforms wouldn't ever step foot in a fully ML/AI powered car. Why? because it brings unpredictable liabilities caused by countless edge cases. This is still speculative science-fiction, and the mantra of people trying to hype their stock valuations. Don't worry about it friend... The boards are just scared the IT/Dev folks will unionize, and finally take over planetary operations =3
hulitu 2y ago
> AI will be designing the chips, running the factories, and writing the firmware and OS. TBH, it seems that Windows is already written by AI and even the product manager is an AI. And Crowdstrike also employs AI to deploy its product. /s
thefz 2y ago
Do you think that the pachinko-with-words we call "AI" today will be able to run a factory? It can't even do arithmetics...
- Bluestein 2y ago
  > pachinko-with-words Heh. Quite the image.-
- krapp 2y ago
  Today? Maybe not. But I'm talking about the future. And many factories are almost entirely automated now, anyway. You don't have guys lined up beside a conveyor belt tightening screws like in the 1950s. Also many manufacturing companies are already using AI[0] and investing in it[1]. So yeah. Laugh all you want. I get it. But companies are willing to move heaven and earth and boil the oceans to make it happen, so if it can, it will. [0]https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-manufacturing-robots-automation https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-manufacturing... [1]https://www.azumuta.com/blog/future-of-ai-in-manufacturing/ https://www.azumuta.com/blog/future-of-ai-in-manufacturing/