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Google still leads in AI research. They are doing the opposite of short term. The reason why it does not seem like it may be because most of their work is eith
by nabla9 2y ago
Google still leads in AI research. They are doing the opposite of short term. The reason why it does not seem like it may be because most of their work is either basic research or related to chemistry, physics or things that are not public like Facebook.
They are behind in productization of the research. So far they seem to do the minimal effort from the trained model to product.
- nolist_policy 2y agoAlso don't forget Waymo.
- 93po 2y agowaymo is pretty far behind in terms of self driving tech
- lytigas 2y agoI was under the impression Waymo was the leader. Who are they behind and how?
- 93po 2y agoi guess it depends on how you measure it. 1. how many miles does waymo drive compared to competition? 2. how many people use waymo versus competition? 3. how many miles of road does waymo work on? the answer to all three is thousands of times less than Tesla's FSD, which granted is not free of disengagements and still supervised. But then you have to ask what consumers want: 1. self driving that needs intervention once every few hundred miles and works anywhere 2. self driving that works only in low volume and predictable traffic, in a small section of a single city, sometimes still gets stuck and blocks intersections, breaks as soon as the road conditions change, but is entirely hands off i think most people want #1, and the usage stats agree with that
- filoleg 2y agoSure, but the major difference is that Waymo already operates a real service accessible to absolutely anyone in certain cities that actually transports passengers from point A to point B with no driver present in the car. Tesla FSD is not at that point yet. I am not even saying this as some Tesla FSD hater, I used it a ton over the years and am generally happy with it. But claiming that, in its current state, it has a lead over Waymo is a bit questionable.
- 93po 2y agowaymo is using an approach that is inherently limited and not scalable. they went for short term gains at the expense of knee-capping themselves long term. it's a fundamentally less robust approach. FSD is really, really close. The recent 12.5 software is a big step forward for them, and their rate of improvement is really, really fast these days. i appreciate the level headed discussion
- filoleg 2y agoFair point about recent software updates, I can definitely believe that (I moved to a place where a car is not a necessity at the beginning of this year, so I didnt get to test the recent updates myself). However, I can still see someone claiming that Waymo might have an edge in some form as a fair take, given they indeed have something that FSD, at the moment, doesn’t (which is full operation with no driver). Whether that is a viable long-term approach compared to FSD (or whether it is hitting the ceiling that FSD doesn’t have) is a solid point though.
- johneth 2y agoPretty far behind who?
- markovs_gun 2y agoYeah I have noticed all of the actually useful ML papers I have read come from Deep Mind and Google because they seem more interested in stuff that actually matters like industrial control systems and other boring stuff that makes money
- ryukoposting 2y agoWhat should we take away from the AI Overview snafu? Is it an example of an ill-conceived concept for an AI product? Or, is it an example of a technically inferior model hampering an otherwise good product?
- QuantumGood 2y agoInsufficient red teaming, presumably due to release pressure from higher up, and lack of work processes requiring more red teaming.
- ryukoposting 2y agoI can't even fathom being an engineer on that project and not throwing it a few curveballs to see what happens. Someone must have known.
- nsonha 2y agowhy aren't they a research institution then? We live in a funny world where academia is ridden with paper mills and fail to do its job, and a for profit company like Google is doing academia's job and... fail to do its job on applications and commercialization also.
- nabla9 2y agoThey kind of are. They do research and spin of the results as companies or products. Waymo, SandboxAQ, Isomorphic Labs, Aalyria, Niantic, Verily, https://x.company/ https://x.company/