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Some of my favorite fun questions or speculations in the applied metaphysics realm, which I sincerely hope we or our descendants can someday test, are about whe
by upwardbound 2y ago
Some of my favorite fun questions or speculations in the applied metaphysics realm, which I sincerely hope we or our descendants can someday test, are about whether one of the deepest axioms of modern astrophysics, the Cosmological Principle, is false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_principle
It says basically that the laws of physics are the same everywhere. If it's false, this would allow moonshot bets to escape this universe's limiting ending, its heat death - because we might be able to do things that are impossible here, but are possible in a different region of space, with different laws.
Reposting some of my previous comments about this:
For example, if we eventually have multiple star systems' worth of resources at our disposal, then I hope we put at least a trillion dollars per topic into long-shot research topics such as time travel, the multiverse, FTL travel, methods of creating new universes via an artificial Big Bang, applied theology (trying to find evidence of a God so that we can communicate with them), methods of achieving infinitely positive states of qualia such as something like nirvāṇa, and so on.
Each bet might be 1 in a million - but I'd much rather that we try every possible chance at escaping what we currently see as the inevitable, and not go gentle into that heat death night.
This goal, to break through the wall at the end of the universe, was what Asimov called for in his inspiring short story The Last Question.
https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~gamvrosi/thelastq.html https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~gamvrosi/thelastq.html
Keep in mind that anything is possible if the Cosmological Principle turns out to be false, and if we can travel far enough to escape our local zone.
For example, there might turn out to be particle types which don't exist at all in our zone, but which are force carriers for forces that enable time travel or other violations of causality. We might have evolved in a zone with zero of these particles simply because it's hard for life to evolve in a zone without causality. Our zone might be a life-friendly little bubble beyond which things get truly strange, but where with appropriately designed nanotechnology, we might achieve incredible things we've never before observed, including changing the past or even stepping entirely outside of the fabric of spacetime into someplace with more or fewer spatial dimensions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_principle
So, 1 in a million is my approximate a priori estimate of the odds of the Cosmological Principle being false in a useful way.
For a fun example of fiction that takes place in a setting where the Cosmological Principle is false, check out A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge. The zone where Earth is situated, and where the laws of physics are the same as in our observed reality, is called the Slow Zone. There are three other types of zones with other laws, called the Beyond, the Transcend, and the Unthinking Depths.
I suppose that to approach a topic like this, we can reason in the classical-logic manner of the ancient Greeks and others who sought to understand their universe without yet having the instruments to make necessary observations. What I mean is, without our civilization having seen evidence either way yet, the question of what is a good prior probability is only able to be informed through non-empirical means, such as the philosophy of science (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_problem ), philosophy of knowledge (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle ), and theology (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds ).
Originally I posted these here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38217412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38217412
- srcreigh 2y agoIs there any axiom for the principle that the laws of physics don't change with time? (not sure if that even makes sense-not a physicist)
- generalizations 2y agoI'd bet that by the time we have multiple star systems' worth of resources at our disposal, we'll also have entire universities dedicated to that kind of research. At that scale, everything scales.
- basementcat 2y agoWe already have multiple star systems worth of resources at our disposal. Many of the elements of the periodic table require higher mass (than our Sun) stars or colliding neutron stars to make. https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/13873/ https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/13873/
- generalizations 2y agoIf it's not tantamount to a dyson sphere, then IMO it's not even equivalent to the star, much less the star system.
- andrewflnr 2y ago> Keep in mind that anything is possible if the Cosmological Principle turns out to be false, and if we can travel far enough to escape our local zone. This is... overly optimistic. To say the least, it depends on exactly which laws change with location, and how far. That is to say, we could conceivably know for a fact that the Cosmological Principle is false, but still know that there is nowhere in the universe that time travel is possible, or that it's impossible to prevent the end of the universe. The only way "everything is possible" is in the conditional sense that we don't know what's possible yet, but you don't need to invoke the CP for that at all.