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Is it common in British English to use "for" instead of "by" when talking about the creator? ''' After inspecting it personally to test his theory, he confirme

Is it common in British English to use "for" instead of "by" when talking about the creator? ''' After inspecting it personally to test his theory, he confirmed the artwork was created *for* tapestry maker Ralph Sheldon and dated back to the 1590s. It was one of a collection of 22 portraits made *for* Sheldon, but the whereabouts of only a handful were known. ''' I'm confused whether Sheldon is the painter or the commissioner.

actionfromafar 2y ago
I don't think Sheldon made these portraits? They were commissioned as mentioned in other comments.
- jaaaack 2y ago
  "The artist of the series remains unknown, although his distinct hand is recognised by the title of 'The Sheldon Master'." Corroborated by the original blog post. Odd that the article isn't clear on this point. https://historicalportraits.com/artworks/82-the-sheldon-master-portrait-of-king-edward-vi-1537-53-c.-1590/ https://historicalportraits.com/artworks/82-the-sheldon-mast... https://adamfineart.wordpress.com/2024/07/04/ralph-sheldons-portrait-of-henry-viii-reidentified/ https://adamfineart.wordpress.com/2024/07/04/ralph-sheldons-...
- xeromal 2y ago
  Got you. I was just confused as to why a guy would commission paintings of a king for his own use but I didn't live in that era so maybe it was in vogue.
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    It's patriotic to have a picture of your royals in your home. You'd find pictures of The Royal Family in British homes, not so much now, but certainly photos of say Diana were fairly common in the 80s.
    - xeromal 2y ago
      That makes sense. I don't think it's really popular here in the United States to have a president on your wall but I have seen pictures of them in restaurants especially if they frequented the establishment. It makes me curious about this specific example if the painter copied another painting of the king or he managed to somehow get time with the king in order to know what he looks like for the commission.
      - WD-42 2y ago
        The British never really shed their love for royalty. Just one of the things us yanks like to “take the piss” from then on. Seems silly to us.
        Ekaros 2y ago
        They are celebrities in sense, with at least publicly higher standards("presentable")...
        lupusreal 2y ago
        Yeah but only weirdos have pictures of celebrities hung up in their house.
        qingcharles 2y ago
        Plenty of teens' bedroom walls would disagree...
        lupusreal 2y ago
        If an adult does that, it's considered rather sad.
      - iamacyborg 2y ago
        You guys fly flags everywhere instead.
  - pwagland 2y ago
    it is also done these days as well. Look at political and/or musical t-shirts, albeit they are cheaper. However, I have seen some, IMO, pretty crazy dedications. Just as an example: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fuploads-ssl.webflow.com%2F5b0f1c2b558807210a5e423a%2F5e923c6e333832df023af8e4_2-IMG_5530.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=bf6923d7ff4c3493e59caf784beb8ee95ee90ecedfed21143daf5a2908b41d76&ipo=images https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... I'm sure that you can find similar for other famous politicians.
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actionfromafar 2y ago

I don't think Sheldon made these portraits? They were commissioned as mentioned in other comments.

jaaaack 2y ago
"The artist of the series remains unknown, although his distinct hand is recognised by the title of 'The Sheldon Master'." Corroborated by the original blog post. Odd that the article isn't clear on this point. https://historicalportraits.com/artworks/82-the-sheldon-master-portrait-of-king-edward-vi-1537-53-c.-1590/ https://historicalportraits.com/artworks/82-the-sheldon-mast... https://adamfineart.wordpress.com/2024/07/04/ralph-sheldons-portrait-of-henry-viii-reidentified/ https://adamfineart.wordpress.com/2024/07/04/ralph-sheldons-...
xeromal 2y ago
Got you. I was just confused as to why a guy would commission paintings of a king for his own use but I didn't live in that era so maybe it was in vogue.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  It's patriotic to have a picture of your royals in your home. You'd find pictures of The Royal Family in British homes, not so much now, but certainly photos of say Diana were fairly common in the 80s.
  - xeromal 2y ago
    That makes sense. I don't think it's really popular here in the United States to have a president on your wall but I have seen pictures of them in restaurants especially if they frequented the establishment. It makes me curious about this specific example if the painter copied another painting of the king or he managed to somehow get time with the king in order to know what he looks like for the commission.
    - WD-42 2y ago
      The British never really shed their love for royalty. Just one of the things us yanks like to “take the piss” from then on. Seems silly to us.
      - Ekaros 2y ago
        They are celebrities in sense, with at least publicly higher standards("presentable")...
        lupusreal 2y ago
        Yeah but only weirdos have pictures of celebrities hung up in their house.
        qingcharles 2y ago
        Plenty of teens' bedroom walls would disagree...
        lupusreal 2y ago
        If an adult does that, it's considered rather sad.
    - iamacyborg 2y ago
      You guys fly flags everywhere instead.
- pwagland 2y ago
  it is also done these days as well. Look at political and/or musical t-shirts, albeit they are cheaper. However, I have seen some, IMO, pretty crazy dedications. Just as an example: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fuploads-ssl.webflow.com%2F5b0f1c2b558807210a5e423a%2F5e923c6e333832df023af8e4_2-IMG_5530.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=bf6923d7ff4c3493e59caf784beb8ee95ee90ecedfed21143daf5a2908b41d76&ipo=images https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... I'm sure that you can find similar for other famous politicians.

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