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If you want a shift to walking, you need to ensure that - everyone lives close to their ideal, well-paid job. - everyone lives close to an excellent school fo

If you want a shift to walking, you need to ensure that - everyone lives close to their ideal, well-paid job. - everyone lives close to an excellent school for their kids. - everyone lives close to inexpensive, well-stocked organic produce store. - everyone lives close to acres of green park space. - everyone lives close to amenities for all imaginable interests. Otherwise, some people are just gonna hop in their cars and collect their pieces of the puzzle from here and there.

kderbyma 2y ago
Garden Cities.... concept is about 100 years old, maybe stop electing people who haven't even walked their constituency....
npteljes 2y ago
This is kind of on the right track, but not really. The right part is that people really do respond to incentives. In fact, this is what they are doing with cars too. Cars often seem like an obvious choice, but that's because the environment is set up in a way that cars make the most sense. In South-East Asia, for example, the incentives are such that small motorbikes make a lot of sense. They are a cheap and versatile option, and navigate the chaotic traffic well. So yes, if we want a shift, we need to reorganize the environment. And the traffic options will follow. Returning to the article, this would mean to bring back walking, biking and mass transit as priority options. Because it's clear from the infrastructure design that everything else besides cars are an afterthought.
- kazinator 2y ago
  The environment is set up the way it is because not only of the culture, not because of the politics but also mega corporations. People will agree to reorganizing the environment only if they are not the ones you have to do anything or are negatively impacted in any way. Also, massive reorganization of the living environment is really only an option for a totalitarian communist government, which decides where people going to live and everything else and they just have to take it. Ghost communities in China showed that even that doesn't always work.
  - npteljes 2y ago
    Yes, I see how this all reinforces itself. Maybe this is why initiatives like Strong Towns begin the change with people's hearts. "If there's a will, there's a way", so they say, so if they manage to create enough "will", there ought to be ways as well.
ireland352 2y ago
I'm in Vegas. I see bike lanes. I see transit lanes. I see sidewalks. I also see six lane roads through residential neighbourhoods. As much as transportation experts talk about dignity, EDI, engineering safe environments, if we build it they will come. I think what's missing is land use planning. We can provide the safest space, build the best sidewalks, bike lanes, or whatever, but if it faster to drive, and it's more comfortable. That's exactly what people are going to do. I use to be naive, judging people, for not cycling or walking more. Heck I use to bike through industrial parks against transport trucks, rain, wind, and snow thinking I was doing the world good. And I'm doing my part to show people this way of moving around is possible. You know what I missed, I was time rich during that period in my life. Those others weren't and they want to be comfortable. If you want people to walk, bike, or not take a car, make the travel time on parity with taking the car, and you'll probably get a better result. Dignity - EDI, ugh.
- rangestransform 2y ago
  There's no place I want door-to-door air conditioning more than Las Vegas in the summer
BeFlatXIII 2y ago
> everyone lives close to their ideal, well-paid job Which works until people from opposite sides of town get married.

kderbyma 2y ago

Garden Cities.... concept is about 100 years old, maybe stop electing people who haven't even walked their constituency....

npteljes 2y ago

This is kind of on the right track, but not really. The right part is that people really do respond to incentives. In fact, this is what they are doing with cars too. Cars often seem like an obvious choice, but that's because the environment is set up in a way that cars make the most sense. In South-East Asia, for example, the incentives are such that small motorbikes make a lot of sense. They are a cheap and versatile option, and navigate the chaotic traffic well. So yes, if we want a shift, we need to reorganize the environment. And the traffic options will follow. Returning to the article, this would mean to bring back walking, biking and mass transit as priority options. Because it's clear from the infrastructure design that everything else besides cars are an afterthought.

kazinator 2y ago
The environment is set up the way it is because not only of the culture, not because of the politics but also mega corporations. People will agree to reorganizing the environment only if they are not the ones you have to do anything or are negatively impacted in any way. Also, massive reorganization of the living environment is really only an option for a totalitarian communist government, which decides where people going to live and everything else and they just have to take it. Ghost communities in China showed that even that doesn't always work.
- npteljes 2y ago
  Yes, I see how this all reinforces itself. Maybe this is why initiatives like Strong Towns begin the change with people's hearts. "If there's a will, there's a way", so they say, so if they manage to create enough "will", there ought to be ways as well.

ireland352 2y ago

I'm in Vegas. I see bike lanes. I see transit lanes. I see sidewalks. I also see six lane roads through residential neighbourhoods. As much as transportation experts talk about dignity, EDI, engineering safe environments, if we build it they will come. I think what's missing is land use planning. We can provide the safest space, build the best sidewalks, bike lanes, or whatever, but if it faster to drive, and it's more comfortable. That's exactly what people are going to do. I use to be naive, judging people, for not cycling or walking more. Heck I use to bike through industrial parks against transport trucks, rain, wind, and snow thinking I was doing the world good. And I'm doing my part to show people this way of moving around is possible. You know what I missed, I was time rich during that period in my life. Those others weren't and they want to be comfortable. If you want people to walk, bike, or not take a car, make the travel time on parity with taking the car, and you'll probably get a better result. Dignity - EDI, ugh.

rangestransform 2y ago
There's no place I want door-to-door air conditioning more than Las Vegas in the summer

BeFlatXIII 2y ago

> everyone lives close to their ideal, well-paid job Which works until people from opposite sides of town get married.