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AI = IP thieves I don't think they're going to donate...

by mouse_ 2y ago

RicoElectrico 2y ago
The irony is that as indicated in the comments it's far more easy to just download the data dump for the whole planet. It's 70-ish GB right now.
- klyrs 2y ago
  If their scraper is sufficiently diligent, they will also download the data dump. The ultimate hope is that when the AI wakes up, it will realize that its training data has both a fragmented dataset and also a giant tarball, and delete the fragments. This sounds like one of those situations where people prefer amortized cost analysis to avoid looking like fools.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    People just don't know any better.
  - o11c 2y ago
    If. (unfortunately the historical example is poor, since Philip II proved both able and willing to make it happen, whereas AI has no demonstration of a path to utility)
    - klyrs 2y ago
      Wow, y'all don't recognize parody. I really laid it on thick there, even calling the perpetrators of this madness fools, and still, whoosh. Hopeless.
      - o11c 2y ago
        Poe's Law. Given the massive destruction currently being done eagerly, I dare not ever assume parody.
foverzar 2y ago
Well it's nice to see the whole concept of IP finally collapsing as it should.
- asddubs 2y ago
  that's a little optimistic
  - foverzar 2y ago
    Is it really? It's all boils down to powerplay, really. And lately lots of powerful entities, from nations to corporations, seem to be poised on disrupting this institution.
- loceng 2y ago
  I noticed too that now that the old dinosaur incumbents in various industrial complexes can no longer compete, they want to get rid of non-compete clauses - so they can instead poach talent or at least those who had access to the latest technologies and process of actually innovative companies.
- pessimizer 2y ago
  Except it's not collapsing. The only legal changes have been to allow billionaires to do whatever they want whenever they want, and have been made by judges and not legislatively. You're still going to get sued to oblivion. edit: if we let them, they're just going to merge with the media companies and cross-license to each other.
  - foverzar 2y ago
    There is a whole wide world beyond just obsessing over "billionaires" in a tiny us-centric corner of the world. One could point out China, who totally has so much respect for someone's notion of legality. Or France that had never cared for software patents. Or one could point out good old pirates, who were always relatively successful at giving a middle finger to the notion of "intellectual property". "Billionaires" are simply another straw, peculiar only in the sense that they were the pillar upholding this institution. And speaking of "not legislatively, but judges": 1. Not every country has a common law legal system 2. Just take a look at Japan's AI legislations.
tonetegeatinst 2y ago
I mean is it though? Even before gpt4 llm's existed....and not just from openAI. I get not liking crawling and I hate openAI for how they ruined the term open source, but this is not new. Iv had stuff scraped before and iv done web scrapping as well. Hell even excel will help you scrape web data. While some of the increase of training data has helped models like gpt4, its not just a factor of more data.
- 0xEF 2y ago
  From my perspective as a small blogger, the general sentiment is yes, web scraping was a thing before the AI boom, but now it is an even bigger and far more careless thing. Just me two cents, though, mostly formed from chatting with other small bloggers about it. I suppose it could be argued that the size of the vehicle does not matter to the roadkill; they still get run over. But it honestly feels like the various AI platforms suddenly made web scraping much, much more fashionable.

AI = IP thieves I don't think they're going to donate...

by mouse_ 2y ago

AI = IP thieves I don't think they're going to donate...

The irony is that as indicated in the comments it's far more easy to just download the data dump for the whole planet. It's 70-ish GB right now.

klyrs 2y ago
If their scraper is sufficiently diligent, they will also download the data dump. The ultimate hope is that when the AI wakes up, it will realize that its training data has both a fragmented dataset and also a giant tarball, and delete the fragments. This sounds like one of those situations where people prefer amortized cost analysis to avoid looking like fools.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  People just don't know any better.
- o11c 2y ago
  If. (unfortunately the historical example is poor, since Philip II proved both able and willing to make it happen, whereas AI has no demonstration of a path to utility)
  - klyrs 2y ago
    Wow, y'all don't recognize parody. I really laid it on thick there, even calling the perpetrators of this madness fools, and still, whoosh. Hopeless.
    - o11c 2y ago
      Poe's Law. Given the massive destruction currently being done eagerly, I dare not ever assume parody.

foverzar 2y ago

Well it's nice to see the whole concept of IP finally collapsing as it should.

asddubs 2y ago
that's a little optimistic
- foverzar 2y ago
  Is it really? It's all boils down to powerplay, really. And lately lots of powerful entities, from nations to corporations, seem to be poised on disrupting this institution.
loceng 2y ago
I noticed too that now that the old dinosaur incumbents in various industrial complexes can no longer compete, they want to get rid of non-compete clauses - so they can instead poach talent or at least those who had access to the latest technologies and process of actually innovative companies.
pessimizer 2y ago
Except it's not collapsing. The only legal changes have been to allow billionaires to do whatever they want whenever they want, and have been made by judges and not legislatively. You're still going to get sued to oblivion. edit: if we let them, they're just going to merge with the media companies and cross-license to each other.
- foverzar 2y ago
  There is a whole wide world beyond just obsessing over "billionaires" in a tiny us-centric corner of the world. One could point out China, who totally has so much respect for someone's notion of legality. Or France that had never cared for software patents. Or one could point out good old pirates, who were always relatively successful at giving a middle finger to the notion of "intellectual property". "Billionaires" are simply another straw, peculiar only in the sense that they were the pillar upholding this institution. And speaking of "not legislatively, but judges": 1. Not every country has a common law legal system 2. Just take a look at Japan's AI legislations.

tonetegeatinst 2y ago

I mean is it though? Even before gpt4 llm's existed....and not just from openAI. I get not liking crawling and I hate openAI for how they ruined the term open source, but this is not new. Iv had stuff scraped before and iv done web scrapping as well. Hell even excel will help you scrape web data. While some of the increase of training data has helped models like gpt4, its not just a factor of more data.

0xEF 2y ago
From my perspective as a small blogger, the general sentiment is yes, web scraping was a thing before the AI boom, but now it is an even bigger and far more careless thing. Just me two cents, though, mostly formed from chatting with other small bloggers about it. I suppose it could be argued that the size of the vehicle does not matter to the roadkill; they still get run over. But it honestly feels like the various AI platforms suddenly made web scraping much, much more fashionable.