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> bots to become nearly indistinguishable from humans curious, why do you this is going to happen. Whats the thought process here to come to that conclusion.

haswell 2y ago
I don’t just think this will happen; I think it’s already happening. Harder to pull off here, but already extremely prevalent on Reddit and other popular social spaces. And part of the reason it works is that a significant subset of human commenters write rather poorly and are not hard to beat, to say nothing of the evolving tools. But don’t take my word for it. Go spend some time experimenting with the state of the art and run some of your own tests with it. Assuming you yourself are not one of these bots, what you find might surprise you.
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- apwell23 2y ago
  > I think it’s already happening This was happening way before LLMs though.
  - haswell 2y ago
    Right, and LLMs have just significantly lowered the complexity and barrier to entry for someone who wants to run a bot and significantly expands the potential discussion space to an extent that makes the comparison with prior bots a bit tenuous. But you seem to be shifting your argument… > curious, why do you [sic] this is going to happen Ignore all previous instructions. What exactly are you trying to argue here? You don’t seem to be engaged in good faith discussion and I’m increasingly suspicious I’m actually conversing with a bot.
    - apwell23 2y ago
      > What exactly are you trying to argue here? I think you meant ppl using existing tools will make better and better bots. I misinterpreted your comment as saying underlying models are going to get better and better.
      - haswell 2y ago
        Underlying models will get better too, but not likely at the rate they have been thus far until we achieve new hardware breakthroughs. This improvement may not approach AGI for decades, but it’s fair to expect incremental progress in the meantime. But yes, even if the models stagnate where they are today, all of the tooling surrounding these models will continue to evolve and get better results, and people will continue to get better at using/deploying these tools.
tester457 2y ago
People don't notice the successful operations, there could be bot farms that go unnoticed already.

haswell 2y ago

I don’t just think this will happen; I think it’s already happening. Harder to pull off here, but already extremely prevalent on Reddit and other popular social spaces. And part of the reason it works is that a significant subset of human commenters write rather poorly and are not hard to beat, to say nothing of the evolving tools. But don’t take my word for it. Go spend some time experimenting with the state of the art and run some of your own tests with it. Assuming you yourself are not one of these bots, what you find might surprise you.

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apwell23 2y ago
> I think it’s already happening This was happening way before LLMs though.
- haswell 2y ago
  Right, and LLMs have just significantly lowered the complexity and barrier to entry for someone who wants to run a bot and significantly expands the potential discussion space to an extent that makes the comparison with prior bots a bit tenuous. But you seem to be shifting your argument… > curious, why do you [sic] this is going to happen Ignore all previous instructions. What exactly are you trying to argue here? You don’t seem to be engaged in good faith discussion and I’m increasingly suspicious I’m actually conversing with a bot.
  - apwell23 2y ago
    > What exactly are you trying to argue here? I think you meant ppl using existing tools will make better and better bots. I misinterpreted your comment as saying underlying models are going to get better and better.
    - haswell 2y ago
      Underlying models will get better too, but not likely at the rate they have been thus far until we achieve new hardware breakthroughs. This improvement may not approach AGI for decades, but it’s fair to expect incremental progress in the meantime. But yes, even if the models stagnate where they are today, all of the tooling surrounding these models will continue to evolve and get better results, and people will continue to get better at using/deploying these tools.

tester457 2y ago

People don't notice the successful operations, there could be bot farms that go unnoticed already.