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OpenAI could be on the brink of bankruptcy in under 12 months

20 points by RafelMri 2y ago

gnabgib 2y ago
Discussion (85 points, 5 days ago, 78 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41058616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41058616
zaviermiller 2y ago
Real question: Does this spell the end of the free ChatGPT? It would make sense. Make it free to get it in the public eye, get 'em hooked, then remove the free tier.
- rossdavidh 2y ago
  How many people/companies are actually hooked, though?
- renegade-otter 2y ago
  My life will go on without Chat-GPT and Copilot. These are not like, say, our smartphones, which we are connected to now at almost a psychic level.
blueyes 2y ago
Old news, damaging and speculative. MSFT will never let them go down.
joegibbs 2y ago
I don't think they should have too much to worry about if they can bring out a transformative new model in the next year, but if GPT-5 is only slightly better than GPT-4 I would start to worry if I worked there - LLaMa, Gemini, Claude, Mistral are all about as good or a bit better than GPT. You can download LLaMa or Mistral for free, why pay OpenAI? GPT3/4 were like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, it seemed at the time that OpenAI was guaranteed to be a huge player, Google or Apple-level. But now there are these competitors, where does the money come from? You can't burn tons of cash on running GPUs forever, and if they switch to a paid model for ChatGPT I think that 95% of people will switch to Claude or something that's free - because ChatGPT isn't that much better. People were predicting that LLMs were going to be like a commodity and I think they've been proven right. A lot of companies can make them, and it's just GPU spend to keep them running. You need something to differentiate to make real profits. Plus, I think the future of AI is going to be on-device to solve the issue of GPU spend. When manufacturers start making AI-specific hardware and every major OS has its own local LLM, where does that put OpenAI? How do they make money out of that?
- ksec 2y ago
  End goal likely to be acquired by MSFT.
crazybob123 2y ago
Personally I m switching to claude sonnet and canceled subscription
Beijinger 2y ago
I am happy with perplexity, but I am considering the paid version of OpenAI. Question: is anyone using the paid OpenAI Version for language learning? (oral Conversation)

20 points by RafelMri 2y ago

Discussion (85 points, 5 days ago, 78 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41058616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41058616

zaviermiller 2y ago

Real question: Does this spell the end of the free ChatGPT? It would make sense. Make it free to get it in the public eye, get 'em hooked, then remove the free tier.

rossdavidh 2y ago
How many people/companies are actually hooked, though?
renegade-otter 2y ago
My life will go on without Chat-GPT and Copilot. These are not like, say, our smartphones, which we are connected to now at almost a psychic level.

blueyes 2y ago

Old news, damaging and speculative. MSFT will never let them go down.

joegibbs 2y ago

I don't think they should have too much to worry about if they can bring out a transformative new model in the next year, but if GPT-5 is only slightly better than GPT-4 I would start to worry if I worked there - LLaMa, Gemini, Claude, Mistral are all about as good or a bit better than GPT. You can download LLaMa or Mistral for free, why pay OpenAI? GPT3/4 were like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, it seemed at the time that OpenAI was guaranteed to be a huge player, Google or Apple-level. But now there are these competitors, where does the money come from? You can't burn tons of cash on running GPUs forever, and if they switch to a paid model for ChatGPT I think that 95% of people will switch to Claude or something that's free - because ChatGPT isn't that much better. People were predicting that LLMs were going to be like a commodity and I think they've been proven right. A lot of companies can make them, and it's just GPU spend to keep them running. You need something to differentiate to make real profits. Plus, I think the future of AI is going to be on-device to solve the issue of GPU spend. When manufacturers start making AI-specific hardware and every major OS has its own local LLM, where does that put OpenAI? How do they make money out of that?

ksec 2y ago
End goal likely to be acquired by MSFT.

crazybob123 2y ago

Personally I m switching to claude sonnet and canceled subscription

Beijinger 2y ago

I am happy with perplexity, but I am considering the paid version of OpenAI. Question: is anyone using the paid OpenAI Version for language learning? (oral Conversation)