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> Specifically which of Ukraine's regions are you willing to hand over All of them, it that's what it takes to stop the countless deaths.

mopsi 2y ago
The experience of the occupied territories tells that it doesn't.
- ossobuco 2y ago
  Let's check the numbers we have from reports so far....yes it does. Objectively and undeniably. Even if you don't want to base your opinion on data, just check how is life in Mariupol today[0][1]. I don't see mass killings or rapes, just people living their lives. - [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StYKfo3mh6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StYKfo3mh6Q - [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XNKgCMXeKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XNKgCMXeKo
  - mopsi 2y ago
    Reports from trustworthy sources stress that their numbers severely undercount victims due to lack of access. We have propaganda videos from the beachfront, but no access to the mass graves around Mariupol that can be seen from space. Not to mention the hidden away sites like Izium mass graves that were uncovered only after liberation. You don't see mass graves and concentration camps on German news reels either, "just people living their lives" and no hint of the Holocaust.
    - ossobuco 2y ago
      These mass graves, are they in the room with us? It's war, obviously people died during the battle for Mariupol, but people aren't dying anymore, in fact Russia has spent huge amounts of money to rebuild the city and "win over the hearts and minds" of the locals. Don't take my word for granted, read the BBC[0]. If nothing this should be an argument to cease all hostilities as soon as possible, rather than making countless more people die in a contest over who will rule a specific piece of land. Now, do you have any proof of mass killings and rapes going on now? - [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64887890 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64887890
  - racional 2y ago
    If you believe that channel's videos - I guess you'll believe anything. The Germans made some lovely newsreels about the places they "liberated" that you'd probably find to be equally inspiring.
    - mistermann 2y ago
      Have you ever tried approaching reality without guessing? Like, even for short bursts of time, 10 seconds/minutes at a time? I think it would be a very interesting experiment.

mopsi 2y ago

The experience of the occupied territories tells that it doesn't.

ossobuco 2y ago
Let's check the numbers we have from reports so far....yes it does. Objectively and undeniably. Even if you don't want to base your opinion on data, just check how is life in Mariupol today[0][1]. I don't see mass killings or rapes, just people living their lives. - [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StYKfo3mh6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StYKfo3mh6Q - [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XNKgCMXeKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XNKgCMXeKo
- mopsi 2y ago
  Reports from trustworthy sources stress that their numbers severely undercount victims due to lack of access. We have propaganda videos from the beachfront, but no access to the mass graves around Mariupol that can be seen from space. Not to mention the hidden away sites like Izium mass graves that were uncovered only after liberation. You don't see mass graves and concentration camps on German news reels either, "just people living their lives" and no hint of the Holocaust.
  - ossobuco 2y ago
    These mass graves, are they in the room with us? It's war, obviously people died during the battle for Mariupol, but people aren't dying anymore, in fact Russia has spent huge amounts of money to rebuild the city and "win over the hearts and minds" of the locals. Don't take my word for granted, read the BBC[0]. If nothing this should be an argument to cease all hostilities as soon as possible, rather than making countless more people die in a contest over who will rule a specific piece of land. Now, do you have any proof of mass killings and rapes going on now? - [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64887890 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64887890
- racional 2y ago
  If you believe that channel's videos - I guess you'll believe anything. The Germans made some lovely newsreels about the places they "liberated" that you'd probably find to be equally inspiring.
  - mistermann 2y ago
    Have you ever tried approaching reality without guessing? Like, even for short bursts of time, 10 seconds/minutes at a time? I think it would be a very interesting experiment.