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I'm paying 6.9 cent per kWh (yes, 0.069€, I've counted zeroes right) in the Netherlands right now. It is sunny day with almost no wind. It will be more expensiv

I'm paying 6.9 cent per kWh (yes, 0.069€, I've counted zeroes right) in the Netherlands right now. It is sunny day with almost no wind. It will be more expensive at night (my provider adjusts prices each 30 minutes). But highest price in last 7 days was 17с/kWh around ~22:00 at Sunday :) Typical not-midday price is about 7-8 cents.

Wytwwww 2y ago
But I assume with market pricing there are some pretty volatile swings depending on wind/sun especially outside of summer?
- blacklion 2y ago
  Yep. But it is still cheaper around the year than "old-style" providers with fixed or per-month prices. I could pay 100 euro/month for electricity (for everything but hot water and warming) and gas (for hot water and warming of house, double-contour gas boiler) in summer and 250/month in winter, but typical "fixed-price" contract is 200-210/month for my house each month no matter what. And fixed part of these 100-250 Euro (like grid maintenance, which doesn't depend on consumption) is rather large, something about 75 Euro/month, so in summer I'm paying almost only for grid :)
- wkat4242 2y ago
  I don't have market pricing here in Spain, I have fixed per kWh pricing only. I prefer this because I hate the min-maxing and figuring out cheap hours etc. I just want to use my energy when it suits my life, I don't want to rearrange my life around it. But the people that are totally into that love it because it allows them to save cost. I really don't care. See this: https://www.endesa.com/en/catalog/light/one/one-luz https://www.endesa.com/en/catalog/light/one/one-luz (the "Energy Term" is the kWh price - pre tax but the tax has just been dropped to 10%, so it's even less than 14 cents now!) I think you have to get market pricing if you have solar panels but most people don't bother especially because that market pricing makes them totally cost-ineffective. Also, I live in an apartment anyway where I can't even have them if I wanted to.
wkat4242 2y ago
Hmm yeah but my price is constant 24/7. I don't have to deal with that flexible stuff :) I don't want to change my life according to the energy market.

Wytwwww 2y ago

But I assume with market pricing there are some pretty volatile swings depending on wind/sun especially outside of summer?

blacklion 2y ago
Yep. But it is still cheaper around the year than "old-style" providers with fixed or per-month prices. I could pay 100 euro/month for electricity (for everything but hot water and warming) and gas (for hot water and warming of house, double-contour gas boiler) in summer and 250/month in winter, but typical "fixed-price" contract is 200-210/month for my house each month no matter what. And fixed part of these 100-250 Euro (like grid maintenance, which doesn't depend on consumption) is rather large, something about 75 Euro/month, so in summer I'm paying almost only for grid :)
wkat4242 2y ago
I don't have market pricing here in Spain, I have fixed per kWh pricing only. I prefer this because I hate the min-maxing and figuring out cheap hours etc. I just want to use my energy when it suits my life, I don't want to rearrange my life around it. But the people that are totally into that love it because it allows them to save cost. I really don't care. See this: https://www.endesa.com/en/catalog/light/one/one-luz https://www.endesa.com/en/catalog/light/one/one-luz (the "Energy Term" is the kWh price - pre tax but the tax has just been dropped to 10%, so it's even less than 14 cents now!) I think you have to get market pricing if you have solar panels but most people don't bother especially because that market pricing makes them totally cost-ineffective. Also, I live in an apartment anyway where I can't even have them if I wanted to.

wkat4242 2y ago

Hmm yeah but my price is constant 24/7. I don't have to deal with that flexible stuff :) I don't want to change my life according to the energy market.