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> It still makes the most sense for Russia to be behind this You, other HNers and the whole of Reddit prove the opposite. If this sabotage was performed by Ru

> It still makes the most sense for Russia to be behind this You, other HNers and the whole of Reddit prove the opposite. If this sabotage was performed by Russia it would be the perfect justification to reinvigorate military support to Ukraine, in spite of a growing tiredness of the European public with the war. So really who has the most to benefit here would be the faction that wants the war to continue until Ukraine can obtain a victory.

sofixa 2y ago
> So really who has the most to benefit here would be the faction that wants the war to continue until Ukraine can obtain a victory. You mean the normal people, right? > You, other HNers and the whole of Reddit prove the opposite. If this sabotage was performed by Russia it would be the perfect justification to reinvigorate military support to Ukraine, in spite of a growing tiredness of the European public with the war. Just like all other Russian sabotages, including a murder plot against a CEO, burning warehouses and factories all across Europe?
- ossobuco 2y ago
  > You mean the normal people, right? "55% of EU citizens agree with providing weapons to Ukraine, even though data indicate a downward trend in support for this measure over time"[0] If you draw the line with being normal at supporting Ukraine or not, then I'm afraid 45% of Europeans aren't normal anymore, and the number is growing. Must be pretty expensive for Russia to pay 200 milions of spies/trolls. - [0]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files/be-heard/eurobarometer/2022/public-opinion-on-the-war-in-ukraine/en-public-opinion-on-the-war-against-ukraine-20240223.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files/be-hear...
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racional 2y ago
The point is, your reference to this group (those who don't simply wish to cave into Putin's suite of territorial demands as a price tag for ending the conflict) as a "faction" when in fact they've been not just a majority, but a solid majority of the European population for 2+ years now -- was rather shifty and dodgy. Suggestive of a basic attitude of disregard for factual accuracy in regard to such things.

sofixa 2y ago

> So really who has the most to benefit here would be the faction that wants the war to continue until Ukraine can obtain a victory. You mean the normal people, right? > You, other HNers and the whole of Reddit prove the opposite. If this sabotage was performed by Russia it would be the perfect justification to reinvigorate military support to Ukraine, in spite of a growing tiredness of the European public with the war. Just like all other Russian sabotages, including a murder plot against a CEO, burning warehouses and factories all across Europe?

ossobuco 2y ago
> You mean the normal people, right? "55% of EU citizens agree with providing weapons to Ukraine, even though data indicate a downward trend in support for this measure over time"[0] If you draw the line with being normal at supporting Ukraine or not, then I'm afraid 45% of Europeans aren't normal anymore, and the number is growing. Must be pretty expensive for Russia to pay 200 milions of spies/trolls. - [0]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files/be-heard/eurobarometer/2022/public-opinion-on-the-war-in-ukraine/en-public-opinion-on-the-war-against-ukraine-20240223.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files/be-hear...
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racional 2y ago

The point is, your reference to this group (those who don't simply wish to cave into Putin's suite of territorial demands as a price tag for ending the conflict) as a "faction" when in fact they've been not just a majority, but a solid majority of the European population for 2+ years now -- was rather shifty and dodgy. Suggestive of a basic attitude of disregard for factual accuracy in regard to such things.