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There is widespread desire for this to be Russian in origin. HN had plenty of this as well. Propaganda remains popular because it works so well. Humans, includ

There is widespread desire for this to be Russian in origin. HN had plenty of this as well. Propaganda remains popular because it works so well. Humans, including smart ones, are highly susceptible to well told stories. This is a very important topic, but there is something about it that makes it essentially impossible to discuss at the object level (during a specific incident) without people losing control. Maybe certain kinds of thinking are like juggling. A previous discussion (search on Russia): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41076831 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41076831

coldtea 2y ago
It would help justify continuing support for funding the Ukraine war and further militarization, to a public tired of this shit. Such operations are a tale as old as Goebbels.
- mistermann 2y ago
  "Justification" is more of the same thing: very powerful Meme Magic, the root cause of these problems. Find some culture war discussions online and search for that term. Or, vice versa: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=%22does+not+justify%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22justification%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://www.google.com/search?q=%22is+not+justified%22+site%3Areddit.com https://www.google.com/search?q=%22is+not+justified%22+site%... https://www.google.com/search?q=%22justification%22+site%3Areddit.com https://www.google.com/search?q=%22justification%22+site%3Ar... Look at all the confused yet ultra-confident Humans!
- racional 2y ago
  So what is your working proposal to end "this shit" -- this evil war propped up by Goebbelsian machinations, per your insinuation -- then? Specifically which of Ukraine's regions are you willing to hand over (in terms of granting permanent recognized sovereignty) to Russia in order to make that happen? Because that's the name of the game, here.
  - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
    when you put yourself in a dead end solution, cut the loss short might be, unfortunately, the best solution
    - racional 2y ago
      So the fate of the people directly affected is of such negligible concern to you -- that you don't see a need to give a straight answer?
      - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
        they chose to fight and lost. I rather prefer them to live than keep dying a meaningless death. Ukrainians were led to believe they could win a war against Russia which have never been true.
        mopsi 2y ago
        Every day that keeps Russian rapists and murderers away from more Ukrainian cities, towns and villages is a victory. There is nothing meaningless about protecting your loved ones from the fate that people in the occupied territories have suffered.
        sabbaticaldev 2y ago
        the leadership that dragged the whole country to the war should respond for their crimes then.
        mopsi 2y ago
        Indeed, Putin and his cronies should be hanged for starting the war.
        mistermann 2y ago

coldtea 2y ago

It would help justify continuing support for funding the Ukraine war and further militarization, to a public tired of this shit. Such operations are a tale as old as Goebbels.

mistermann 2y ago
"Justification" is more of the same thing: very powerful Meme Magic, the root cause of these problems. Find some culture war discussions online and search for that term. Or, vice versa: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=%22does+not+justify%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22justification%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://www.google.com/search?q=%22is+not+justified%22+site%3Areddit.com https://www.google.com/search?q=%22is+not+justified%22+site%... https://www.google.com/search?q=%22justification%22+site%3Areddit.com https://www.google.com/search?q=%22justification%22+site%3Ar... Look at all the confused yet ultra-confident Humans!
racional 2y ago
So what is your working proposal to end "this shit" -- this evil war propped up by Goebbelsian machinations, per your insinuation -- then? Specifically which of Ukraine's regions are you willing to hand over (in terms of granting permanent recognized sovereignty) to Russia in order to make that happen? Because that's the name of the game, here.
- sabbaticaldev 2y ago
  when you put yourself in a dead end solution, cut the loss short might be, unfortunately, the best solution
  - racional 2y ago
    So the fate of the people directly affected is of such negligible concern to you -- that you don't see a need to give a straight answer?
    - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
      they chose to fight and lost. I rather prefer them to live than keep dying a meaningless death. Ukrainians were led to believe they could win a war against Russia which have never been true.
      - mopsi 2y ago
        Every day that keeps Russian rapists and murderers away from more Ukrainian cities, towns and villages is a victory. There is nothing meaningless about protecting your loved ones from the fate that people in the occupied territories have suffered.
        sabbaticaldev 2y ago
        the leadership that dragged the whole country to the war should respond for their crimes then.
        mopsi 2y ago
        Indeed, Putin and his cronies should be hanged for starting the war.
        mistermann 2y ago