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You probably also pay that much for gas. It's about 650 km: 5 liters per 100 km at 120 km/h (a little less than the speed limit), it's a little more than 30 lit

You probably also pay that much for gas. It's about 650 km: 5 liters per 100 km at 120 km/h (a little less than the speed limit), it's a little more than 30 liters, which is about 60 Euro. If you travel alone train is probably cheaper and faster. If you travel with friends, car is cheaper but slower.

TacticalCoder 2y ago
That "car is slower than train" really only works when everybody happens to live near train station A and when the group of friends plans to take its vacation near train station B. By plane it can be even worse : time to go to the airport + buffer of one or two hours to not miss the plane + landing and waiting for luggage and then time to go from the airport to your destination. For our usual vacation, car takes 8 hours (950 kilometers) while plane takes 6h30... Still a win but then you're left with no car or having to rent a car: renting the car is another 30 minutes. So 7 hours vs 8 hours and you re stuck with a car inevitably (for me) shittier than yours. Train isn't even close to competing time wise in our case. But I have fond memories back when, as a kid, we d put the car on the train and then take the same train. I have nothing against rail and it s great it s developing in the EU. But on many cases it's simply not a time saver compared to car.
- barrkel 2y ago
  The primary time-saver of a train is you can work on the train.
  - epolanski 2y ago
    Or even just read and relax instead of being tense for 6 hours, especially as Italy has some terrible drivers.
    - hulitu 2y ago
      > as Italy has some terrible drivers. Just like any country. IMHO drivers from Switzerland are more terrible than those from Italy.
  - LtWorf 2y ago
    If you can work with no internet…
Tade0 2y ago
During my time in Italy I've found that the answer to this question is actually quite complex. Options available are: -Train -Car on the highway -Car through back roads, as in Italy there's always such a route going parallel to the highway - sometimes it's even an old highway that was since demoted. For destinations within a 150km circle around Bologna a one person ticket, fuel and highway toll costs are roughly the same - ~€10 at maximum. In terms of time train takes approximately 20min less, but you have to get to/from the train station. On the other end, the back roads take an additional hour or so. Overall the cost table per number of people is like this: No. of people | 1 | 2 | 3 | 70min Train | 10 | 20 | 30 | 90min Car highway | 20 | 20 | 20 | 150min Car back roads| 10 | 10 | 10 | There's also Frecciarossa, which takes 60m or even less, but costs €30, so it's left out of the table. I've actually picked every option from the table at least once because there are additional considerations beyond that few EUR difference, like being able to head back after 10pm, when you'd be hard-pressed to find a train connection or expensive parking like in Venice.

TacticalCoder 2y ago

That "car is slower than train" really only works when everybody happens to live near train station A and when the group of friends plans to take its vacation near train station B. By plane it can be even worse : time to go to the airport + buffer of one or two hours to not miss the plane + landing and waiting for luggage and then time to go from the airport to your destination. For our usual vacation, car takes 8 hours (950 kilometers) while plane takes 6h30... Still a win but then you're left with no car or having to rent a car: renting the car is another 30 minutes. So 7 hours vs 8 hours and you re stuck with a car inevitably (for me) shittier than yours. Train isn't even close to competing time wise in our case. But I have fond memories back when, as a kid, we d put the car on the train and then take the same train. I have nothing against rail and it s great it s developing in the EU. But on many cases it's simply not a time saver compared to car.

barrkel 2y ago
The primary time-saver of a train is you can work on the train.
- epolanski 2y ago
  Or even just read and relax instead of being tense for 6 hours, especially as Italy has some terrible drivers.
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > as Italy has some terrible drivers. Just like any country. IMHO drivers from Switzerland are more terrible than those from Italy.
- LtWorf 2y ago
  If you can work with no internet…

Tade0 2y ago

During my time in Italy I've found that the answer to this question is actually quite complex. Options available are: -Train -Car on the highway -Car through back roads, as in Italy there's always such a route going parallel to the highway - sometimes it's even an old highway that was since demoted. For destinations within a 150km circle around Bologna a one person ticket, fuel and highway toll costs are roughly the same - ~€10 at maximum. In terms of time train takes approximately 20min less, but you have to get to/from the train station. On the other end, the back roads take an additional hour or so. Overall the cost table per number of people is like this: No. of people | 1 | 2 | 3 | 70min Train | 10 | 20 | 30 | 90min Car highway | 20 | 20 | 20 | 150min Car back roads| 10 | 10 | 10 | There's also Frecciarossa, which takes 60m or even less, but costs €30, so it's left out of the table. I've actually picked every option from the table at least once because there are additional considerations beyond that few EUR difference, like being able to head back after 10pm, when you'd be hard-pressed to find a train connection or expensive parking like in Venice.