3 ms·

https://www.dexerto.com/tech/openai-on-verge-of-bankruptcy-heading-for-5-billion-in-losses-report-2839622/ https://www.dexerto.com/tech/openai-on-verge-of-bankr

by mouse_ 2y ago

https://www.dexerto.com/tech/openai-on-verge-of-bankruptcy-heading-for-5-billion-in-losses-report-2839622/ https://www.dexerto.com/tech/openai-on-verge-of-bankruptcy-h... When VCs sell their 2021-2023 bags, if the technology is still not yet economically self sustaining, it's over.

343rwerfd 2y ago
Not really, China is just a step behind, in a year they will be at current US AI state-of-art, without competition, from there they'll have all the GPUs in the world to keep improving their models. Or most probably, US national interests will step in, just like it did with SpaceX, and will provide any amount of billions required to keep in the fight, at least till China steps out of the AI race. Beside the (naive?), naysayers, until the technology actually shows it is failing to keep the promise of super powerful AIs, it is a global, geopolitical race to get there (AGI/ASI), or till the point it fails (new AI winter). To make quite sure it really doesn't work, and not dropping out of the race just to see a chinese ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence), emerge a couple of years later.
- oceanplexian 2y ago
  China isn't even close to state of the art. Take a look at the chips they put out, the Chinese repeatedly “claim” they are building chips equivalent to a 4 or 5 year old Intel chip (Which might as well be a century ago in terms of technology) until a tech YouTuber in the US actually gets their hands on one and realizes the benchmarks are completely fabricated.
  - CoastalCoder 2y ago
    Is there a particular video or channel you'd suggest?
343rwerfd 2y ago
nor OpenAI or any of the prompt-based AI companies actually "need" the reveneu from the services they sell, the whole point of having a public (free or not), prompt facing the entire planet is just having live humans doing RLHF 24x7x365, that information, that dataset is more valuable than any symbolic amount of money anybody is willing to pay for any GPT or clone suscription. Anybody noticed already that any current or near future reveneu won't make a dench in the actual costs of running giant models, anyway, the models keep chugging along just fine. And the ("free") money keeps flowing in.
- 343rwerfd 2y ago
  Moroever, those millions of non-paying clients prompting the models are 24x7x265 working with 100% real world problems are inputing the models with valuable prompts, generating valuable content (originated in real situations, actually distilled by unvaluable billions of human sensory input). That content can be and is used to train models, effectively cancelling the "data-wall", bit by bit, all the time.
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    > That content can be and is used to train models, effectively cancelling the "data-wall", bit by bit, all the time. It really cannot.
    - CoastalCoder 2y ago
      I'm not familiar with this topic. Could you elaborate?
      - jncfhnb 2y ago
        There’s so just much missing information or changing contexts. Forget any specific model. You will not become particularly good at any domain specific task by reading prompts of people asking questions. That data sucks.

by mouse_ 2y ago

343rwerfd 2y ago

Not really, China is just a step behind, in a year they will be at current US AI state-of-art, without competition, from there they'll have all the GPUs in the world to keep improving their models. Or most probably, US national interests will step in, just like it did with SpaceX, and will provide any amount of billions required to keep in the fight, at least till China steps out of the AI race. Beside the (naive?), naysayers, until the technology actually shows it is failing to keep the promise of super powerful AIs, it is a global, geopolitical race to get there (AGI/ASI), or till the point it fails (new AI winter). To make quite sure it really doesn't work, and not dropping out of the race just to see a chinese ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence), emerge a couple of years later.

oceanplexian 2y ago
China isn't even close to state of the art. Take a look at the chips they put out, the Chinese repeatedly “claim” they are building chips equivalent to a 4 or 5 year old Intel chip (Which might as well be a century ago in terms of technology) until a tech YouTuber in the US actually gets their hands on one and realizes the benchmarks are completely fabricated.
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  Is there a particular video or channel you'd suggest?

343rwerfd 2y ago

nor OpenAI or any of the prompt-based AI companies actually "need" the reveneu from the services they sell, the whole point of having a public (free or not), prompt facing the entire planet is just having live humans doing RLHF 24x7x365, that information, that dataset is more valuable than any symbolic amount of money anybody is willing to pay for any GPT or clone suscription. Anybody noticed already that any current or near future reveneu won't make a dench in the actual costs of running giant models, anyway, the models keep chugging along just fine. And the ("free") money keeps flowing in.

343rwerfd 2y ago
Moroever, those millions of non-paying clients prompting the models are 24x7x265 working with 100% real world problems are inputing the models with valuable prompts, generating valuable content (originated in real situations, actually distilled by unvaluable billions of human sensory input). That content can be and is used to train models, effectively cancelling the "data-wall", bit by bit, all the time.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  > That content can be and is used to train models, effectively cancelling the "data-wall", bit by bit, all the time. It really cannot.
  - CoastalCoder 2y ago
    I'm not familiar with this topic. Could you elaborate?
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      There’s so just much missing information or changing contexts. Forget any specific model. You will not become particularly good at any domain specific task by reading prompts of people asking questions. That data sucks.