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Temu's email unsubscribe page claims your Wi-Fi is disconnected

43 points by LorenDB 2y ago

LorenDB 2y ago
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1817303994735419560.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1817303994735419560.html
anonym29 2y ago
>The most rational explanation for this is Temu is using a Javascript framework that also expects to be run offline (it's localized in multiple languages), they are querying some dead resource that shows this naive lazy error, and never redirected the page. Explains everything. Really? That's more plausible than a company being greedy and simply trying to deceive would-be unsubscribing users to continue pushing ads their way for profit? Occam's Razor.
- seattle_spring 2y ago
  Hanlon's Razor would support the "broken API" theory.
  - anonym29 2y ago
    Yup, wrong Razor, my bad - corrected my original post.
    - K0balt 2y ago
      Are you sure you didn’t get it wrong on purpose just to preemptively sabotage any potential argument? /s It is surprisingly hard to give companies the benefit of the doubt these days, with dark patterns being somehow normalised … we have learned to assume bad faith.
  - james_marks 2y ago
    I shopped on Temu recently to understand what it was, and there were clear examples of this kind of dark pattern, so I’m biased to assume malice in this case. I don’t remember all of it, but opening a million tabs so it’s hard to leave the site is one example.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    Why would they even code that, though? Your device will already tell you if you've lost your internet connection. This looks like incompetent sneaky stuff rather than incompetent legitimate stuff to me.
    - seattle_spring 2y ago
      Lots of SPAs detect when the Internet goes out or the server goes unresponsive so the experience is consistent and can be recovered without a page refresh once the problem is resolved.
      - JohnFen 2y ago
        Interesting. I didn't know that, thank you.
- jvanderbot 2y ago
  Hanlons razor states that you shouldn't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. As far as I can tell, you've used it against your own argument. Greed (malice) is less preferred as an argument vs a non-robust implementation (incompetence).
  - anonym29 2y ago
    Yup, my bad here, my brain had a segfault. I was thinking of Occam's Razor. Updated my original post, laughing at the irony now.
  - more_corn 2y ago
    People tend to become really incompetent when implementing features that are not in their company’s interest. It’s not malice it’s worse.
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orev 2y ago
The enshittification of everything is on the rise, and this is just another part of the trend of “let’s see if we can get away with it” (or “whaddaya gonna do bout it?”) From Google login popups, “open in the app” modals, and AI stealing everyone’s data, tech companies are firmly turning evil. It’s no longer about move fast and break things towards progress (even superficially), it’s about complete domination using any means necessary. On the email side, spam is on the rise, and especially messages that claim to be “about your account” and therefore exempt from CAN-SPAM jurisdiction. “Oops, we forgot to make a functional unsubscribe page” tactic falls in the same vein. Hanlon’s razor is being weaponized, and ulterior motives must alway be seriously considered. We see it constantly in dark patterns, and how often Microsoft and other companies “accidentally” reset your preferences in ways that benefit whatever new feature they’re pushing.
- Bluestein 2y ago
  > or “whaddaya gonna do bout it?” Also, "if can cheat, then cheat" ...
- Bluestein 2y ago
  > it’s about complete domination using any means necessary. We have fought and died fighting against despotism, only to have it return dressed in technology, like this ...
- theanonymousone 2y ago
  > whaddaya gonna do bout it? This is, IMHO, probably the only factor that matters: We let them dump into domination, and now we cannot "do anything about it", it seems.
tgjk 2y ago
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xkgask 2y ago
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43 points by LorenDB 2y ago

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1817303994735419560.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1817303994735419560.html

>The most rational explanation for this is Temu is using a Javascript framework that also expects to be run offline (it's localized in multiple languages), they are querying some dead resource that shows this naive lazy error, and never redirected the page. Explains everything. Really? That's more plausible than a company being greedy and simply trying to deceive would-be unsubscribing users to continue pushing ads their way for profit? Occam's Razor.

seattle_spring 2y ago
Hanlon's Razor would support the "broken API" theory.
- anonym29 2y ago
  Yup, wrong Razor, my bad - corrected my original post.
  - K0balt 2y ago
    Are you sure you didn’t get it wrong on purpose just to preemptively sabotage any potential argument? /s It is surprisingly hard to give companies the benefit of the doubt these days, with dark patterns being somehow normalised … we have learned to assume bad faith.
- james_marks 2y ago
  I shopped on Temu recently to understand what it was, and there were clear examples of this kind of dark pattern, so I’m biased to assume malice in this case. I don’t remember all of it, but opening a million tabs so it’s hard to leave the site is one example.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  Why would they even code that, though? Your device will already tell you if you've lost your internet connection. This looks like incompetent sneaky stuff rather than incompetent legitimate stuff to me.
  - seattle_spring 2y ago
    Lots of SPAs detect when the Internet goes out or the server goes unresponsive so the experience is consistent and can be recovered without a page refresh once the problem is resolved.
    - JohnFen 2y ago
      Interesting. I didn't know that, thank you.
jvanderbot 2y ago
Hanlons razor states that you shouldn't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. As far as I can tell, you've used it against your own argument. Greed (malice) is less preferred as an argument vs a non-robust implementation (incompetence).
- anonym29 2y ago
  Yup, my bad here, my brain had a segfault. I was thinking of Occam's Razor. Updated my original post, laughing at the irony now.
- more_corn 2y ago
  People tend to become really incompetent when implementing features that are not in their company’s interest. It’s not malice it’s worse.

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orev 2y ago

The enshittification of everything is on the rise, and this is just another part of the trend of “let’s see if we can get away with it” (or “whaddaya gonna do bout it?”) From Google login popups, “open in the app” modals, and AI stealing everyone’s data, tech companies are firmly turning evil. It’s no longer about move fast and break things towards progress (even superficially), it’s about complete domination using any means necessary. On the email side, spam is on the rise, and especially messages that claim to be “about your account” and therefore exempt from CAN-SPAM jurisdiction. “Oops, we forgot to make a functional unsubscribe page” tactic falls in the same vein. Hanlon’s razor is being weaponized, and ulterior motives must alway be seriously considered. We see it constantly in dark patterns, and how often Microsoft and other companies “accidentally” reset your preferences in ways that benefit whatever new feature they’re pushing.

Bluestein 2y ago
> or “whaddaya gonna do bout it?” Also, "if can cheat, then cheat" ...
Bluestein 2y ago
> it’s about complete domination using any means necessary. We have fought and died fighting against despotism, only to have it return dressed in technology, like this ...
theanonymousone 2y ago
> whaddaya gonna do bout it? This is, IMHO, probably the only factor that matters: We let them dump into domination, and now we cannot "do anything about it", it seems.

tgjk 2y ago

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xkgask 2y ago

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