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There's only been a few really bad ones, but Microsoft botch Windows updates quite regularly.

Rinzler89 2y ago
>but Microsoft botch Windows updates quite regularly OK, please show us the proof then. If it's as regularly indeed like you claim then it must be documented somewhere as a greppable list. Tech blogs would have a field day getting traffic on their site by keeping track and documenting on such regular mistakes if they exist.
- Brybry 2y ago
  It's frequent enough that people pay money for AskWoody[1] to tell them when it's safe to patch or what patches to skip. [1] https://www.askwoody.com/ms-defcon-system/ https://www.askwoody.com/ms-defcon-system/
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    Quote, from the website: "In general, I apply Windows Defender updates as soon as they’re available. Why? Microsoft hasn’t screwed up any of them too badly. You’re better off applying those updates than letting them slide for a week or two."
    - Brybry 2y ago
      Yep, Microsoft does a good job with Windows Defender (antivirus) updates. It's the other Windows Updates that they botch frequently enough to make people wary of patching immediately.
- oxygen_crisis 2y ago
  Here's >100 of them in the past ~8 months: https://www.manageengine.com/patch-management/resources/microsoft-known-issues.html https://www.manageengine.com/patch-management/resources/micr...
  - feyman_r 2y ago
    Where can I find a list for all OSes? I’d assume such a list would have known issues with X11 etc. I want to ensure it’s not a case of surviviorship bias.
    - oxygen_crisis 2y ago
      I don't think there is one... macOS doesn't have enough functionality-breaking updates to make a significant list, and Linux/BSD-based distros generally do cleanly segmented updates to individual apps and services rather than Microsoft's great big monolithic all-or-nothing OS update bundles that touch on dozens of services at the same time.
      - feyman_r 2y ago
        Here’s a quick 2 minute search on Google for each. - https://www.macworld.com/article/671831/macos-wont-install-fixes.html https://www.macworld.com/article/671831/macos-wont-install-f... - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231849/how-to-fix-update-problems-ubuntu-20-04 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231849/how-to-fix-update-pr... My own anecdote: When I got my M3 Pro in April and had to start afresh, it was stuck in a restart loop and had to take it to the Genius Bar; they asked me to answer ‘no’ to some question that I was answering differently. That was it. I have no idea on the root cause or why it was fixed this way. I don’t remember the exact screen where the answer was supposed to be different.

>but Microsoft botch Windows updates quite regularly OK, please show us the proof then. If it's as regularly indeed like you claim then it must be documented somewhere as a greppable list. Tech blogs would have a field day getting traffic on their site by keeping track and documenting on such regular mistakes if they exist.

Brybry 2y ago
It's frequent enough that people pay money for AskWoody[1] to tell them when it's safe to patch or what patches to skip. [1] https://www.askwoody.com/ms-defcon-system/ https://www.askwoody.com/ms-defcon-system/
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  Quote, from the website: "In general, I apply Windows Defender updates as soon as they’re available. Why? Microsoft hasn’t screwed up any of them too badly. You’re better off applying those updates than letting them slide for a week or two."
  - Brybry 2y ago
    Yep, Microsoft does a good job with Windows Defender (antivirus) updates. It's the other Windows Updates that they botch frequently enough to make people wary of patching immediately.
oxygen_crisis 2y ago
Here's >100 of them in the past ~8 months: https://www.manageengine.com/patch-management/resources/microsoft-known-issues.html https://www.manageengine.com/patch-management/resources/micr...
- feyman_r 2y ago
  Where can I find a list for all OSes? I’d assume such a list would have known issues with X11 etc. I want to ensure it’s not a case of surviviorship bias.
  - oxygen_crisis 2y ago
    I don't think there is one... macOS doesn't have enough functionality-breaking updates to make a significant list, and Linux/BSD-based distros generally do cleanly segmented updates to individual apps and services rather than Microsoft's great big monolithic all-or-nothing OS update bundles that touch on dozens of services at the same time.
    - feyman_r 2y ago
      Here’s a quick 2 minute search on Google for each. - https://www.macworld.com/article/671831/macos-wont-install-fixes.html https://www.macworld.com/article/671831/macos-wont-install-f... - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231849/how-to-fix-update-problems-ubuntu-20-04 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231849/how-to-fix-update-pr... My own anecdote: When I got my M3 Pro in April and had to start afresh, it was stuck in a restart loop and had to take it to the Genius Bar; they asked me to answer ‘no’ to some question that I was answering differently. That was it. I have no idea on the root cause or why it was fixed this way. I don’t remember the exact screen where the answer was supposed to be different.