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Does anyone know weather this is actually being used in machining now. It seems that while lasers are being widely used in metal fabrication, they are the simpl

Does anyone know weather this is actually being used in machining now. It seems that while lasers are being widely used in metal fabrication, they are the simpler heat ablation lasers. If it is being used in practice what are the advantages/disadvantages vis a vis edm?

foota 2y ago
The only references I can find online seem to be for studying materials (e.g., https://www.scienceinschool.org/article/2024/explosive-imaging/ https://www.scienceinschool.org/article/2024/explosive-imagi...) and for nano machining (e.g., https://www.nature.com/articles/srep11313 https://www.nature.com/articles/srep11313), I wasn't able to find any commercial uses.
- osamagirl69 2y ago
  You should upgrade your search engine. Here is a nice survey covering some of the commercial uses: https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Ultrafast_Lasers_Are_Quickly_Catching_Up_with/a66858 https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Ultrafast_Lasers_Are_Quic... The market for commercial femtosecond lasers systems is nearly $1B/year!
  - foota 2y ago
    These are just discussing femtosecond lasers, I don't see any mention of coulomb explosions? Maybe it's implied, but I don't see it.
    - osamagirl69 2y ago
      The working mechanism of femtosecond (and picosecond for that matter) micromachining is the same as the coulomb explosion being discussed here. In the industry it is usually referred to 'athermal' or 'cold' to differentiate from the older system which rely on thermally heating the material to ionize it. In fact it is mentioned explicitly in the wikipedia article: >Coulomb explosions for industrial machining are made with ultra-short (picosecond or femtoseconds) laser pulses...Coulomb explosion etching can be used in any material to bore holes, remove surface layers, and texture and microstructure surfaces
      - foota 2y ago
        It sounds like you're familiar with the field, so I'll accept that you're probably correct here, but the wikipedia article doesn't say what you're claiming. It says coulom explosions are made with ultra short lasers, not that all ultra short laser pulses result in coulomb explosions, so for someone that doesn't know otherwise, you can't infer that whenever someone says ultra short laser cutting that it happens via coulomb explosions.
jdietrich 2y ago
Yes, although it's a very specialised process. Femtosecond lasers are ubiquitous in semiconductor and thin-film electronics manufacturing, where the dross produced by conventional laser machining is unacceptable. Beyond that, cardiovascular stents are probably the most widespread example - they're made of extremely thin-walled tube that is highly prone to thermal distortion and they require very good edge quality. Femtosecond lasers are increasingly commonly used in the laser texturing of injection mold tools because of the higher surface quality.
osamagirl69 2y ago
You can search for 'femtosecond micromachining' for an idea of the applications where this is being used. Most of the applications are still in high margin markets (aerospace, medical, semiconductor), but there are starting to be consumer applications in particular in the display industry. For example, cutting gorilla glass cleanly is most often done with femtosecond lasers these days. Popularity is increasing rapidly as the cost for femtosecond lasers has been coming down. Wile you are not going to find a press release from Apple saying that they are installing a particular manufacturing technology on their iphone line, the sales numbers speak for themselves: there is a sizable fraction of 1B/year in sales of femtosecond systems which are being used to build _something_

foota 2y ago

The only references I can find online seem to be for studying materials (e.g., https://www.scienceinschool.org/article/2024/explosive-imaging/ https://www.scienceinschool.org/article/2024/explosive-imagi...) and for nano machining (e.g., https://www.nature.com/articles/srep11313 https://www.nature.com/articles/srep11313), I wasn't able to find any commercial uses.

osamagirl69 2y ago
You should upgrade your search engine. Here is a nice survey covering some of the commercial uses: https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Ultrafast_Lasers_Are_Quickly_Catching_Up_with/a66858 https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Ultrafast_Lasers_Are_Quic... The market for commercial femtosecond lasers systems is nearly $1B/year!
- foota 2y ago
  These are just discussing femtosecond lasers, I don't see any mention of coulomb explosions? Maybe it's implied, but I don't see it.
  - osamagirl69 2y ago
    The working mechanism of femtosecond (and picosecond for that matter) micromachining is the same as the coulomb explosion being discussed here. In the industry it is usually referred to 'athermal' or 'cold' to differentiate from the older system which rely on thermally heating the material to ionize it. In fact it is mentioned explicitly in the wikipedia article: >Coulomb explosions for industrial machining are made with ultra-short (picosecond or femtoseconds) laser pulses...Coulomb explosion etching can be used in any material to bore holes, remove surface layers, and texture and microstructure surfaces
    - foota 2y ago
      It sounds like you're familiar with the field, so I'll accept that you're probably correct here, but the wikipedia article doesn't say what you're claiming. It says coulom explosions are made with ultra short lasers, not that all ultra short laser pulses result in coulomb explosions, so for someone that doesn't know otherwise, you can't infer that whenever someone says ultra short laser cutting that it happens via coulomb explosions.

jdietrich 2y ago

Yes, although it's a very specialised process. Femtosecond lasers are ubiquitous in semiconductor and thin-film electronics manufacturing, where the dross produced by conventional laser machining is unacceptable. Beyond that, cardiovascular stents are probably the most widespread example - they're made of extremely thin-walled tube that is highly prone to thermal distortion and they require very good edge quality. Femtosecond lasers are increasingly commonly used in the laser texturing of injection mold tools because of the higher surface quality.

osamagirl69 2y ago

You can search for 'femtosecond micromachining' for an idea of the applications where this is being used. Most of the applications are still in high margin markets (aerospace, medical, semiconductor), but there are starting to be consumer applications in particular in the display industry. For example, cutting gorilla glass cleanly is most often done with femtosecond lasers these days. Popularity is increasing rapidly as the cost for femtosecond lasers has been coming down. Wile you are not going to find a press release from Apple saying that they are installing a particular manufacturing technology on their iphone line, the sales numbers speak for themselves: there is a sizable fraction of 1B/year in sales of femtosecond systems which are being used to build _something_