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At least they're not blaming the European Union in this breakdown (as they did earlier).
by janice1999 2y ago
At least they're not blaming the European Union in this breakdown (as they did earlier).
- zh3 2y agoEven this is written after multiple reviews by corporate lawyers.
- whimsicalism 2y agothey’re right though…
- DarkNova6 2y agoYes. Only Microsoft should be allowed to crash their operating system. Like back in the good old days when only MS could use their secret high-performance APIs.
- graeme 2y agoWhy exactly should security vendors have the ability to crash the operating system?
- dmattia 2y agoThey shouldn't. Microsoft should have APIs that enable security vendors to work in userspace. The EU didn't say that Microsoft couldn't kick vendors out of the kernel, just that they couldn't do so without having the APIs available that would let security vendors operate outside the kernel. Mac and Linux have such APIs, so CrowdStrike operates in user-mode on those platforms, so those platforms do not give security vendors the ability to crash the operating system.
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- strombofulous 2y agoWould this still have happened if the EU had not ruled against Microsoft?
- PlutoIsAPlanet 2y agoMicrosoft can kick security vendors out the kernel, but they can't sell a product that uses APIs not accessible to other vendors.
- strombofulous 2y agoSure, but my question still stands - would this have happened if the EU had not made that ruling?
- mort96 2y agoProbably
- Tuna-Fish 2y agoYes. There were kernel mode drivers before that ruling, it is essentially entirely irrelevant to this outage.
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- strombofulous 2y agoThose kernel mode drivers operated in a way that would not bring down the entire system if they crashed
- holsta 2y agoIt's not about kernel access, it's about equal access to avoid yet another monopoly. Microsoft could have come up with a kernel API that their own malware (and everyone elses) product could make use of. They did not.
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- ziml77 2y agoBut the blame wasn't misplaced before. People keep saying that macOS does things better by forcing third parties out of the kernel and instead offering APIs to do the same work in userspace. Microsoft tried to do exactly this for security software in Windows, but the EU didn't like that this change meant that any Microsoft-developed solutions would have an advantage over third party ones.
- ronsor 2y agoI really, really wish Microsoft would force third parties out of the kernel.
- tacticus 2y agoThey can. They just have to have the same rules for their products in that space.
- Khaine 2y agoNo, the EU didn't like MS having their malware protection in kernel while kicking out third parties. If Defender was also kicked out, it would have been fine, but it wasn't.
- tacticus 2y ago> Microsoft tried to do exactly this for security software in Windows Using a monopoly in one industry to capture the market in another industry is what anti monopoly laws are meant to prevent. Microsoft was prevented because they wanted to retain a commercial business in their security products having special access while locking out everyone else.