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Seeing the abysmal state of non-Android Linux on mobile really puts into perspective the sheer amount of skills and professionalism that it takes to create smar

Seeing the abysmal state of non-Android Linux on mobile really puts into perspective the sheer amount of skills and professionalism that it takes to create smartphone. It's 2024 and these phones do not have even 1/10th of the reliability, smoothness and features of the original 2007 iPhone. Heck, even a 2005 BlackBerry. Heck, even a 2003 Nokia.

fsflover 2y ago
> these phones do not have even 1/10th of the reliability, smoothness and features of the original 2007 iPhone As someone daily driving Librem 5, I completely disagree. Yes, it's somewhat less smooth and reliable, but the amount of available features is much more than in 2007 iPhone. Some features aren't available anywhere else, like desktop mode with desktop apps.
- mattl 2y ago
  How many more of those do they need to make before all the preorders are released now? I see they’re pushing the assembled in USA one for a few thousand dollars now, presumably they have the parts in stock and can put one together fairly easily.
  - fsflover 2y ago
    What are you talking about? All preorders have been shipped. The shipping time is 10 days now: https://puri.sm/posts/all-librem-5-smartphones-have-shipped https://puri.sm/posts/all-librem-5-smartphones-have-shipped.
    - mattl 2y ago
      I check the Purism Reddit from time to time and see people still waiting on devices and with horrible delivery times. I know a lot of free software purists. I don’t know anyone who actually has a Librem 5.
      - fsflover 2y ago
        /r/purism is exceptionally hateful to Purism; they seek any opportunity to harm the company, even by spreading misunderstandings or lies [0]. Are you saying that the official "Products and Availability Chart" [1] is a lie? The delivery delays are well documented by the community [2]. I received my device just fine (after years of waiting of course), and everyone on their forums confirms that shipping works quickly now [3]. [0] https://forums.puri.sm/t/im-giving-up-on-the-librem-5/18399/92 https://forums.puri.sm/t/im-giving-up-on-the-librem-5/18399/... [1] https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/#availability https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/#availability [2] https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-shipping/11272 https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-shipping/112... [3] https://forums.puri.sm/t/questions-about-ordering-the-librem-5/23426/4 https://forums.puri.sm/t/questions-about-ordering-the-librem...
        mattl 2y ago
        I’m not saying it’s a lie but that chart is buried on their website. Generally I find the Purism website lacking. How much data does the unlimited AweSIM provide? Some pages say 20gb, some say 22gb, some say 22gb+. I’ve only ever ordered one product from Purism (laptop back in 2018) it took a while to ship and was generally underwhelming. I gave it to an Inkscape developer a year or so ago and went back to using a ThinkPad for the next few years.
Gazoche 2y ago
To be fair, there's not as much effort spent on them than, say, Linux desktops, because they will never be suitable as daily driver for the vast majority of people unless full Android compatibility is achieved m.
- fsflover 2y ago
  I don't know what "full Android compatibility" is, but I can run Android apps on my Librem 5 with the help of Waydroid.
megous 2y ago
> "the sheer amount of skills and professionalism" Just comes off as ignorant, and mildly insulting. I'm pretty sure the original iPhone devs would not create original iPhone if none of them were paid.
- Almondsetat 2y ago
  Either volunteers have the skills or they don't. Being paid is not an argument since there is a huge amount of free software tools that are much better than the commercial offerings and the devs working on them have poured countless hours of their own time
  - megous 2y ago
    Your argument fails completely, because "FOSS != made by unpaid work". Pretty much all FOSS SW that I use daily and consider high quality is heavily supported by developers working on it for some commercial company. I don't consider those volunteers. Generic FOSS mobile UI has little to no commercial value, as opposed to say PHP, PostgreSQL, nodejs, Linux kernel itself, etc. Nobody will even ask for your skills or try to buy them even if you've been "semi-prominent" mobile Linux developer for 5 years, whatever that may be. And stuff I consider high quality and very useful, which is made by enthusiasts, like eg. i3wm - is poopooed by most commenters here just by how its wayland rewrite looks on a small screen, lol. :)

fsflover 2y ago

> these phones do not have even 1/10th of the reliability, smoothness and features of the original 2007 iPhone As someone daily driving Librem 5, I completely disagree. Yes, it's somewhat less smooth and reliable, but the amount of available features is much more than in 2007 iPhone. Some features aren't available anywhere else, like desktop mode with desktop apps.

mattl 2y ago
How many more of those do they need to make before all the preorders are released now? I see they’re pushing the assembled in USA one for a few thousand dollars now, presumably they have the parts in stock and can put one together fairly easily.
- fsflover 2y ago
  What are you talking about? All preorders have been shipped. The shipping time is 10 days now: https://puri.sm/posts/all-librem-5-smartphones-have-shipped https://puri.sm/posts/all-librem-5-smartphones-have-shipped.
  - mattl 2y ago
    I check the Purism Reddit from time to time and see people still waiting on devices and with horrible delivery times. I know a lot of free software purists. I don’t know anyone who actually has a Librem 5.
    - fsflover 2y ago
      /r/purism is exceptionally hateful to Purism; they seek any opportunity to harm the company, even by spreading misunderstandings or lies [0]. Are you saying that the official "Products and Availability Chart" [1] is a lie? The delivery delays are well documented by the community [2]. I received my device just fine (after years of waiting of course), and everyone on their forums confirms that shipping works quickly now [3]. [0] https://forums.puri.sm/t/im-giving-up-on-the-librem-5/18399/92 https://forums.puri.sm/t/im-giving-up-on-the-librem-5/18399/... [1] https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/#availability https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/#availability [2] https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-shipping/11272 https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-shipping/112... [3] https://forums.puri.sm/t/questions-about-ordering-the-librem-5/23426/4 https://forums.puri.sm/t/questions-about-ordering-the-librem...
      - mattl 2y ago
        I’m not saying it’s a lie but that chart is buried on their website. Generally I find the Purism website lacking. How much data does the unlimited AweSIM provide? Some pages say 20gb, some say 22gb, some say 22gb+. I’ve only ever ordered one product from Purism (laptop back in 2018) it took a while to ship and was generally underwhelming. I gave it to an Inkscape developer a year or so ago and went back to using a ThinkPad for the next few years.

Gazoche 2y ago

To be fair, there's not as much effort spent on them than, say, Linux desktops, because they will never be suitable as daily driver for the vast majority of people unless full Android compatibility is achieved m.

fsflover 2y ago
I don't know what "full Android compatibility" is, but I can run Android apps on my Librem 5 with the help of Waydroid.

megous 2y ago

> "the sheer amount of skills and professionalism" Just comes off as ignorant, and mildly insulting. I'm pretty sure the original iPhone devs would not create original iPhone if none of them were paid.

Almondsetat 2y ago
Either volunteers have the skills or they don't. Being paid is not an argument since there is a huge amount of free software tools that are much better than the commercial offerings and the devs working on them have poured countless hours of their own time
- megous 2y ago
  Your argument fails completely, because "FOSS != made by unpaid work". Pretty much all FOSS SW that I use daily and consider high quality is heavily supported by developers working on it for some commercial company. I don't consider those volunteers. Generic FOSS mobile UI has little to no commercial value, as opposed to say PHP, PostgreSQL, nodejs, Linux kernel itself, etc. Nobody will even ask for your skills or try to buy them even if you've been "semi-prominent" mobile Linux developer for 5 years, whatever that may be. And stuff I consider high quality and very useful, which is made by enthusiasts, like eg. i3wm - is poopooed by most commenters here just by how its wayland rewrite looks on a small screen, lol. :)