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And they were told then not to negotiate for peace because they didn't have to This is a rather condescending attitude which assumes the Ukrainians have no age

And they were told then not to negotiate for peace because they didn't have to This is a rather condescending attitude which assumes the Ukrainians have no agency over their situation, and are just doing what their Western puppet masters tell them to do. I was looking to move to Ukraine in 2020 because I think it's a lovely country and Lviv is a lovely city. Very cheap where I could exist cheaply and spend my time reading books. BTW it'd be an even nicer city if it were governed by Poland. Please don't, as you plainly don't respect the country or the people living there. If you'd prefer to live under Polish administration, try Wrocław.

cjbgkagh 2y ago
It’s not condescending it’s reality, and they’re now dealing with the consequences of that reality. What is that leftist refrain, ‘freedom of speech not freedom from consequences’. They’re exercising their sovereignty which is their right, I think better choices could have been made but that’s just my opinion. In life we must deal with reality, the strong do what they can and the weak endure what they must. Most of us don’t get to live life from a constant position of strength and must be able to negotiate from a position of weakness which involves picking the least bad choices. The West has enjoyed an extended period of being able to negotiate from a position of strength and unfortunately the West isn’t strong enough to keep things that way. Weakness is dangerous, I wish the West was stronger, but I must deal with reality.
- racional 2y ago
  It’s not condescending it’s reality Sounds more like you're (uncritically) accepting the narratives put out by various sources in regard to events of the time. I think better choices could have been made That's very different from what you said initially. You didn't say that the Ukrainians "decided" not to negotiate for a cease fire (meaning, to accept Putin's demands for recognized sovereignty over the occupied regions). What you said (twice, for emphasis) was that they "were told not to". As if they are simply incapable of making such decisions for themselves, and just do what their Western handlers tell them to do.
  - cjbgkagh 2y ago
    The west does have a huge amount of say over Ukraine policy, the extent at which they can continue the war is completely down to western support. Without western support they would have had to either negotiate or surrender by now. Being told not to negotiate comes with the promise of support if they chose not to negotiate and Ukraine has chosen to take the West up on that promise. I’m not saying it wasn’t Ukraines choice to make. But there is no reality where Ukraine wins this war on their own without western support so this idea that they alone can chose their fate is ridiculous especially when that determination is currently being made on the battle field.

cjbgkagh 2y ago

It’s not condescending it’s reality, and they’re now dealing with the consequences of that reality. What is that leftist refrain, ‘freedom of speech not freedom from consequences’. They’re exercising their sovereignty which is their right, I think better choices could have been made but that’s just my opinion. In life we must deal with reality, the strong do what they can and the weak endure what they must. Most of us don’t get to live life from a constant position of strength and must be able to negotiate from a position of weakness which involves picking the least bad choices. The West has enjoyed an extended period of being able to negotiate from a position of strength and unfortunately the West isn’t strong enough to keep things that way. Weakness is dangerous, I wish the West was stronger, but I must deal with reality.

racional 2y ago
It’s not condescending it’s reality Sounds more like you're (uncritically) accepting the narratives put out by various sources in regard to events of the time. I think better choices could have been made That's very different from what you said initially. You didn't say that the Ukrainians "decided" not to negotiate for a cease fire (meaning, to accept Putin's demands for recognized sovereignty over the occupied regions). What you said (twice, for emphasis) was that they "were told not to". As if they are simply incapable of making such decisions for themselves, and just do what their Western handlers tell them to do.
- cjbgkagh 2y ago
  The west does have a huge amount of say over Ukraine policy, the extent at which they can continue the war is completely down to western support. Without western support they would have had to either negotiate or surrender by now. Being told not to negotiate comes with the promise of support if they chose not to negotiate and Ukraine has chosen to take the West up on that promise. I’m not saying it wasn’t Ukraines choice to make. But there is no reality where Ukraine wins this war on their own without western support so this idea that they alone can chose their fate is ridiculous especially when that determination is currently being made on the battle field.