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Wow, what a click-baity misleading headline. Key point is that this number is going down: "The big news is that more and more people are opting to trade their

Wow, what a click-baity misleading headline. Key point is that this number is going down: "The big news is that more and more people are opting to trade their Teslas for an EV from a legacy automaker" This might be me in a few years. Tesla stopped being innovative years ago. No surprise, its CEO is high on drugs most of the time and spends his days (and nights) posting childish memes.

fredsmith219 2y ago
FSD is revolutionary. There isn’t anything as good on the market yet. Other than that I agree, their competitors have caught up.
- milkshakes 2y ago
  isn't that the one that kills people?
  - Smeevy 2y ago
    That's a risk that Tesla is willing to have you take.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    No, Autopilot is the system with a bunch of deaths. AFAICT FSD only has a single death known, and it doesn't seem like FSD was at fault in that death.
    - alwa 2y ago
      Wait, they gate a safe and functional system behind a $10K upcharge, and ship a killy one if you don’t pony up? (edit: looks like $99/month now instead of a flat charge?)
      - bryanlarsen 2y ago
        Sure, just like every other car maker who ships a cruise control that can kill you if you stop paying attention.
ninetyninenine 2y ago
Your post is just as misleading. The ceo is irrelevant and his outward appearance speaks nothing to performance. The more realistic assessment is that the path of innovation approaches a limit. Tesla was first to market, after that there’s not much left to innovate other than fusion powered cars. Tesla created the market and they are losing first mover advantage as competitors move in and set up shop. The market is saturating and this is actually expected.
- eastendguy 2y ago
  "there’s not much left to innovate" ??? Totally disagree. Just one example: Tesla has only two global mass market models (3+Y). There is plenty of room to innovate on this topic alone. Model 2? Model whatever. Nothing new in years.
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    You mean planned obsolescence innovation with different but useless designs? They change the shape of the iPhone all the time just to keep it feeling new. Tesla has been innovating on battery tech. Improving performance, efficiency and staying power instead of working on gimmicky features that are more for marketing.
tocs3 2y ago
I sort of wish car makers would stop being innovative. I do like the reliability and safety that modern cars provide but would like fewer bells and whistles. Affordability in both purchasing and maintaining is important to me. Just watching car commercial makes me think the industry is not prioritizing these things.

fredsmith219 2y ago

FSD is revolutionary. There isn’t anything as good on the market yet. Other than that I agree, their competitors have caught up.

milkshakes 2y ago
isn't that the one that kills people?
- Smeevy 2y ago
  That's a risk that Tesla is willing to have you take.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  No, Autopilot is the system with a bunch of deaths. AFAICT FSD only has a single death known, and it doesn't seem like FSD was at fault in that death.
  - alwa 2y ago
    Wait, they gate a safe and functional system behind a $10K upcharge, and ship a killy one if you don’t pony up? (edit: looks like $99/month now instead of a flat charge?)
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      Sure, just like every other car maker who ships a cruise control that can kill you if you stop paying attention.

ninetyninenine 2y ago

Your post is just as misleading. The ceo is irrelevant and his outward appearance speaks nothing to performance. The more realistic assessment is that the path of innovation approaches a limit. Tesla was first to market, after that there’s not much left to innovate other than fusion powered cars. Tesla created the market and they are losing first mover advantage as competitors move in and set up shop. The market is saturating and this is actually expected.

eastendguy 2y ago
"there’s not much left to innovate" ??? Totally disagree. Just one example: Tesla has only two global mass market models (3+Y). There is plenty of room to innovate on this topic alone. Model 2? Model whatever. Nothing new in years.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  You mean planned obsolescence innovation with different but useless designs? They change the shape of the iPhone all the time just to keep it feeling new. Tesla has been innovating on battery tech. Improving performance, efficiency and staying power instead of working on gimmicky features that are more for marketing.

tocs3 2y ago

I sort of wish car makers would stop being innovative. I do like the reliability and safety that modern cars provide but would like fewer bells and whistles. Affordability in both purchasing and maintaining is important to me. Just watching car commercial makes me think the industry is not prioritizing these things.