> Compare this with the liberal (as in Hobbes, Locke, Mill) notion of freedom as the absence of external limitation You put your finger methinks on one of the

> Compare this with the liberal (as in Hobbes, Locke, Mill) notion of freedom as the absence of external limitation You put your finger methinks on one of the reasons for the slippage downhill of our society: Everybody wants to be the "wrong" kind of free. (Also: All rights. No duties ...)