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What I like about Sartre is his tremendous life journey from 'hell is other people' to a belief that solidarity and engagement with others is the only proper pa

What I like about Sartre is his tremendous life journey from 'hell is other people' to a belief that solidarity and engagement with others is the only proper path.

082349872349872 2y ago
That doesn't necessarily take a journey (or even a returning?), if one were to start out by framing it as a project of terraforming hell? G*d: So, Peter, I heard you were visiting The Other Place the other day; how's ol' Lucey doing? St. Peter: It's amazing! Since I was last, they've really done a lot with the place... irrigation, orchards, pizza and community sings on the week- G*d: (pounding fist on Heavenly Throne) Those Me-damned mormons!
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  So what was Saint Al's project :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_First_Circle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_First_Circle Although.. yeah it would be hard for Saint Al to depict Lucey as being as cooperative as the LDS (as you do.., but you didn't have to make the tradeoff for publication)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Project at Marfino (under "auspices" of KPSS), or project (in conjunction with ER) to cleanse the бессмертная русская душа? (swimming in ice water and jumping over fires are said to be good for the soul, at least when properly timed, but I can't think of any equivalent atmospheric or chthonic rituals, and of course the chinese have a fifth element, so maybe we ought to be craving the strength and certainty of steel?) Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApvM0RxcxPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApvM0RxcxPg [EDIT re publication: A film which followed the code of the Hays Office to the strictest letter might succeed in being a great work of art, but not in a world in which a Hays Office exists. — TWA]
    - vinnyvichy 2y ago
      Quick tips for curious onlookers: https://web.archive.org/web/20200725015745/http://summit.sfu.ca/system/files/iritems1/8379/etd3261.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20200725015745/http://summit.sfu... P34 (his project "outline") Also P2 for his responses to Sartre (as an apologist for Stalin) P31 aside on hubris (note intrapartitional aspect) You can also have a universe in which the Hays Office is partitioned from the world of its inmates re:L was waiting for the kids to start using the diggers on each other heh. Good on them!
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        Given that that project was entered as evidence in his trial, it may even be available somewhere in full (in Moscow, if not on runet)? [Aside: as an officer, S was, in 1984 terms, "outer party"; had he merely been a 1984-prole, would he also have wound up Grazhdanin S., a zek?] As to S-partition: I was taken when reading about the Voodoo Iwa that its practitioners are said to state that there must be thousands of them, but humans are only aware of a hundred or so (and power laws being what they are, the common pantheon of these "saints" is much smaller); this seemed to me to be a much more reasonable prior than universal knowledge of the specifics of other partitions, especially when we have the finite minds and they the infinite. There was a 60's joke in which the Pope has good news and bad news for his Cardinals: the good news — he had a 1:1 with God the other day; the bad news — she's Black. Given the relative distribution of life on this planet, I can easily imagine our religious leaders being contacted by a beetle-saint, who apologises that the Big Deity is of course a protist (having made all the rest of them in Its own image), but everyone up above (or would beetles put their Heaven away from birds, down in the safety of the earth?) figured humanity, being animals and all, would find it more comprehensible to be contacted by Coleoptera, so it agreed to intercede. Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ee1eQ6Rbnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ee1eQ6Rbnk (there is a bard song which should go here, about a gang of zeks who spot a cigarette butt which, judging by the lipstick, had been smoked by an actual woman... but everything past Б escapes me, and I am not too sure of even that) [EDIT: oops, with Б I had been thinking of Okudzhava, who's the wrong bard]
        2y ago

What I like about Sartre is his tremendous life journey from 'hell is other people' to a belief that solidarity and engagement with others is the only proper path.

082349872349872 2y ago

That doesn't necessarily take a journey (or even a returning?), if one were to start out by framing it as a project of terraforming hell? G*d: So, Peter, I heard you were visiting The Other Place the other day; how's ol' Lucey doing? St. Peter: It's amazing! Since I was last, they've really done a lot with the place... irrigation, orchards, pizza and community sings on the week- G*d: (pounding fist on Heavenly Throne) Those Me-damned mormons!

vinnyvichy 2y ago
So what was Saint Al's project :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_First_Circle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_First_Circle Although.. yeah it would be hard for Saint Al to depict Lucey as being as cooperative as the LDS (as you do.., but you didn't have to make the tradeoff for publication)
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Project at Marfino (under "auspices" of KPSS), or project (in conjunction with ER) to cleanse the бессмертная русская душа? (swimming in ice water and jumping over fires are said to be good for the soul, at least when properly timed, but I can't think of any equivalent atmospheric or chthonic rituals, and of course the chinese have a fifth element, so maybe we ought to be craving the strength and certainty of steel?) Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApvM0RxcxPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApvM0RxcxPg [EDIT re publication: A film which followed the code of the Hays Office to the strictest letter might succeed in being a great work of art, but not in a world in which a Hays Office exists. — TWA]
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    Quick tips for curious onlookers: https://web.archive.org/web/20200725015745/http://summit.sfu.ca/system/files/iritems1/8379/etd3261.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20200725015745/http://summit.sfu... P34 (his project "outline") Also P2 for his responses to Sartre (as an apologist for Stalin) P31 aside on hubris (note intrapartitional aspect) You can also have a universe in which the Hays Office is partitioned from the world of its inmates re:L was waiting for the kids to start using the diggers on each other heh. Good on them!
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Given that that project was entered as evidence in his trial, it may even be available somewhere in full (in Moscow, if not on runet)? [Aside: as an officer, S was, in 1984 terms, "outer party"; had he merely been a 1984-prole, would he also have wound up Grazhdanin S., a zek?] As to S-partition: I was taken when reading about the Voodoo Iwa that its practitioners are said to state that there must be thousands of them, but humans are only aware of a hundred or so (and power laws being what they are, the common pantheon of these "saints" is much smaller); this seemed to me to be a much more reasonable prior than universal knowledge of the specifics of other partitions, especially when we have the finite minds and they the infinite. There was a 60's joke in which the Pope has good news and bad news for his Cardinals: the good news — he had a 1:1 with God the other day; the bad news — she's Black. Given the relative distribution of life on this planet, I can easily imagine our religious leaders being contacted by a beetle-saint, who apologises that the Big Deity is of course a protist (having made all the rest of them in Its own image), but everyone up above (or would beetles put their Heaven away from birds, down in the safety of the earth?) figured humanity, being animals and all, would find it more comprehensible to be contacted by Coleoptera, so it agreed to intercede. Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ee1eQ6Rbnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ee1eQ6Rbnk (there is a bard song which should go here, about a gang of zeks who spot a cigarette butt which, judging by the lipstick, had been smoked by an actual woman... but everything past Б escapes me, and I am not too sure of even that) [EDIT: oops, with Б I had been thinking of Okudzhava, who's the wrong bard]
      - 2y ago