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> TailScale has been at all times a good actor. This is the Cloudflare problem all over again. One day Matthew Prince will get hit by a bus, all the "trustwort

by mike_d 2y ago

> TailScale has been at all times a good actor. This is the Cloudflare problem all over again. One day Matthew Prince will get hit by a bus, all the "trustworthy people" will leave, a PE firm will take the company private, and merge it with an ad network. Congrats, the entire internet now has a single companies ads all over it and we let it happen because we happened to like the people fucking us.

johnklos 2y ago
Matthew Prince is definitely not a good actor, but that's not the point. What Cloudflare did was they acted like good people, said good things, even did some good things, but once they got enough business and momentum, they then started doing shadier and shadier things, and now they're a protection racket that is happy to protect scammers for a fee. I think Cloudflare's most ardent fans would have trouble articulating technically valid reasons for why it makes sense to re-centralize the Internet around them, yet that's exactly what Cloudflare want. That's why people don't necessarily, and shouldn't, trust that Tailscale won't head down the same path. It's hard enough for non-profits - heck, the Mozilla Foundation is losing all the good will they've ever had, and even the Raspberry Pi Foundation decided to gaslight people when they started eyeing corporate money. If there's an open source way to do a thing that's a pain in the ass and a way to do the same thing from a for-profit company, I'll take the pain in the ass thing every time. History has shown it to be the prudent thing time and time again.
- PLG88 2y ago
  Check out OpenZiti then - https://openziti.io/ https://openziti.io/. Its Tailscale on steroids, with. (IMHO) a much more scalable implementation of zero trust principles.
- braginini 2y ago
  Or https://netbird.io https://netbird.io which is open-source. You can host the coordination server too :)

by mike_d 2y ago

johnklos 2y ago

Matthew Prince is definitely not a good actor, but that's not the point. What Cloudflare did was they acted like good people, said good things, even did some good things, but once they got enough business and momentum, they then started doing shadier and shadier things, and now they're a protection racket that is happy to protect scammers for a fee. I think Cloudflare's most ardent fans would have trouble articulating technically valid reasons for why it makes sense to re-centralize the Internet around them, yet that's exactly what Cloudflare want. That's why people don't necessarily, and shouldn't, trust that Tailscale won't head down the same path. It's hard enough for non-profits - heck, the Mozilla Foundation is losing all the good will they've ever had, and even the Raspberry Pi Foundation decided to gaslight people when they started eyeing corporate money. If there's an open source way to do a thing that's a pain in the ass and a way to do the same thing from a for-profit company, I'll take the pain in the ass thing every time. History has shown it to be the prudent thing time and time again.

PLG88 2y ago
Check out OpenZiti then - https://openziti.io/ https://openziti.io/. Its Tailscale on steroids, with. (IMHO) a much more scalable implementation of zero trust principles.
braginini 2y ago
Or https://netbird.io https://netbird.io which is open-source. You can host the coordination server too :)