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> The development material is given by Intel under NDA, so you must contact Intel sales for that. Any idea on MOQ? Do they still require supporting chipset pur

by 15155 2y ago

> The development material is given by Intel under NDA, so you must contact Intel sales for that. Any idea on MOQ? Do they still require supporting chipset purchases? Cost, pinout and voltage inflexibilities usually preclude my ability to use SOMs. The RK3588 documentation is all available without NDA, as are a handful of Rockchip's reference Altium designs. I've had no issues with the mainline RK3566/RK3568 - love these chips.

adrian_b 2y ago
Searching now, I see that Atom x7425E (which is almost equivalent with N100, but it has a few extra features enabled, like in-band ECC, and it may happen to have a higher power consumption at default settings, because it is not tested @ 6 W, like N100; but for any Intel chip you can easily configure the desired power limits) can be bought as single pieces at Avnet for $79 (drops to $71 for 100 pieces) and at Mouser for EUR 79 (drops to EUR 67 for 100 pieces). The Atom CPUs, like N100 and the other Alder Lake N/Amston Lake, do not use chipsets. You can look at the Radxa X4 schematic to see what may be needed for power management and clock generation, besides the CPU package. If you only need small quantities, the Atom branded Alder Lake N are easier to find than those branded as N100/N97/N200/i3-N305, which are normally sold in large quantities to the big manufacturers of computers. You can see the available models in Intel Ark, at the Atom x7000 series (Atom x72xx are 2-core, Atom x74xx are 4-core, Atom x78xx are 8-core).
- 15155 2y ago
  $85 - ouch.. Very tough pill to swallow with the RK3568 at $10-13 including an RK809 PMIC.
  - adrian_b 2y ago
    RK3568, which is a quadruple Cortex-A55, is in a completely different class of products. Any price over $20 would be unacceptable for such products. The chips competing with Intel are only RK3588 and MediaTek Genio 1200. Those cannot be cheaper than Intel, because the SBCs made with them have prices from the same price as the Intel SBCs to much higher prices than the Intel SBCs. Radxa, which buys N100 in bulk, must pay at most $50 for one (the Intel list price is $55), but probably much less, perhaps as low as $30, but when you want only a few pieces you cannot buy at that price.
    - 15155 2y ago
      The RK3588 is $35 with PMIC at MOQ 1 from two different CN parts people I deal with.
      - adrian_b 2y ago
        That price was for RK3588 or for RK3588S? (The latter uses a smaller package where many of the interfaces of RK3588 are not connected to external pins.)
        15155 2y ago
        RK3588 in BGA-1088 with the metal heat spreader
      - dvdkon 2y ago
        LCSC has the RK3588S at 60 USD, so the high Intel prices on Mouser might just be artefacts of general parts suppliers selling specialised high-cost parts with high markup.

by 15155 2y ago

adrian_b 2y ago

Searching now, I see that Atom x7425E (which is almost equivalent with N100, but it has a few extra features enabled, like in-band ECC, and it may happen to have a higher power consumption at default settings, because it is not tested @ 6 W, like N100; but for any Intel chip you can easily configure the desired power limits) can be bought as single pieces at Avnet for $79 (drops to $71 for 100 pieces) and at Mouser for EUR 79 (drops to EUR 67 for 100 pieces). The Atom CPUs, like N100 and the other Alder Lake N/Amston Lake, do not use chipsets. You can look at the Radxa X4 schematic to see what may be needed for power management and clock generation, besides the CPU package. If you only need small quantities, the Atom branded Alder Lake N are easier to find than those branded as N100/N97/N200/i3-N305, which are normally sold in large quantities to the big manufacturers of computers. You can see the available models in Intel Ark, at the Atom x7000 series (Atom x72xx are 2-core, Atom x74xx are 4-core, Atom x78xx are 8-core).

15155 2y ago
$85 - ouch.. Very tough pill to swallow with the RK3568 at $10-13 including an RK809 PMIC.
- adrian_b 2y ago
  RK3568, which is a quadruple Cortex-A55, is in a completely different class of products. Any price over $20 would be unacceptable for such products. The chips competing with Intel are only RK3588 and MediaTek Genio 1200. Those cannot be cheaper than Intel, because the SBCs made with them have prices from the same price as the Intel SBCs to much higher prices than the Intel SBCs. Radxa, which buys N100 in bulk, must pay at most $50 for one (the Intel list price is $55), but probably much less, perhaps as low as $30, but when you want only a few pieces you cannot buy at that price.
  - 15155 2y ago
    The RK3588 is $35 with PMIC at MOQ 1 from two different CN parts people I deal with.
    - adrian_b 2y ago
      That price was for RK3588 or for RK3588S? (The latter uses a smaller package where many of the interfaces of RK3588 are not connected to external pins.)
      - 15155 2y ago
        RK3588 in BGA-1088 with the metal heat spreader
    - dvdkon 2y ago
      LCSC has the RK3588S at 60 USD, so the high Intel prices on Mouser might just be artefacts of general parts suppliers selling specialised high-cost parts with high markup.