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Would you say all that useMemo (et al) was a productive use of your time? One of the things I like about svelte is that it seems to encourage code to be natural

by mhh__ 2y ago

Would you say all that useMemo (et al) was a productive use of your time? One of the things I like about svelte is that it seems to encourage code to be naturally fast rather than deal with a load of abstraction leakage (very productive abstraction leakage, but still) everywhere Dan Abramov's favourite UI is apparently spotify, I think it shows in the things react seems to be designed for. I dropped the word "literally" from my original comment as I didn't think before I wrote (classic), now I think it's a fair comment.

moomoo11 2y ago
I was using mobx at the time. It was a very complex app UI with lots of data and streams. This was like 4+ years ago. I mean I don’t personally care about the semantics that much as much as the business results. The commenter said react isn’t a good choice and that was my disagreement. And Spotify isn’t exactly a “tough” UI compared to something data intensive.
- mhh__ 2y ago
  The main reason why I want to stop using react is actually precisely that I feel massively distracted from delivering business value when using it (although still better off than without it entirely obviously). JSX is quite fantastic for some things but I have found it to be fairly annoying when it comes to laying out data that has a very clear pattern to it (personally not a huge fan of functional style here) As for spotify, that was also the point I was trying to make i.e. React was made so facebook can ~~poison the minds of the youth~~ help people share stories, Svelte being made by someone who did dataviz for NYT really shows. Should say at this point that despite my love of Svelte in principal I still would actually probably build an app that used a react-like framework to glue svelte components together as I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the aspects of svelte that have scope wider than a component.
  - moomoo11 2y ago
    I also like svelte. I’ve not used it for anything serious yet though for one reason: lack of libraries. What you describe is a valid concern. I like keeping it more “vanilla” with svelte but any time I run into an issue of “Do I spend the next 2 hours building this, or just vet and pull in a library?” I’m left with the former option. At this point in my life I’m not that interested in spending more time than I have to get something done. So.. I just use react. No customer cares about 35kb vs 8kb or whatever people seem to optimize for. Even businesses in a developing country have 50-100mbps connection, and honestly most customers (even tech corps) don’t care about this stuff.
    - d13 2y ago
      You can use any vanilla HTML/css/js libraries with Svelte, and those far outnumber React’s.

by mhh__ 2y ago

moomoo11 2y ago

I was using mobx at the time. It was a very complex app UI with lots of data and streams. This was like 4+ years ago. I mean I don’t personally care about the semantics that much as much as the business results. The commenter said react isn’t a good choice and that was my disagreement. And Spotify isn’t exactly a “tough” UI compared to something data intensive.

mhh__ 2y ago
The main reason why I want to stop using react is actually precisely that I feel massively distracted from delivering business value when using it (although still better off than without it entirely obviously). JSX is quite fantastic for some things but I have found it to be fairly annoying when it comes to laying out data that has a very clear pattern to it (personally not a huge fan of functional style here) As for spotify, that was also the point I was trying to make i.e. React was made so facebook can ~~poison the minds of the youth~~ help people share stories, Svelte being made by someone who did dataviz for NYT really shows. Should say at this point that despite my love of Svelte in principal I still would actually probably build an app that used a react-like framework to glue svelte components together as I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the aspects of svelte that have scope wider than a component.
- moomoo11 2y ago
  I also like svelte. I’ve not used it for anything serious yet though for one reason: lack of libraries. What you describe is a valid concern. I like keeping it more “vanilla” with svelte but any time I run into an issue of “Do I spend the next 2 hours building this, or just vet and pull in a library?” I’m left with the former option. At this point in my life I’m not that interested in spending more time than I have to get something done. So.. I just use react. No customer cares about 35kb vs 8kb or whatever people seem to optimize for. Even businesses in a developing country have 50-100mbps connection, and honestly most customers (even tech corps) don’t care about this stuff.
  - d13 2y ago
    You can use any vanilla HTML/css/js libraries with Svelte, and those far outnumber React’s.