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"deciding" is a very disingenuous word here. More like; current economics cause a lack of stability for people to move forward in their lives.

sgbeal 2y ago
Believe it or not, there are people (myself included) who _actively decide_ to "move forward in their lives" without children for reasons having nothing to do with economics or stability. Some of us _don't want_ children.
- mattpallissard 2y ago
  And to your point, some of us want children and will move forward with that regardless of economics or stability. I don't think the markets influence child rearing as much as the headlines say.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  I did! I know I'd be terrible for them, I'd argue it's for all of our benefit. Being realistic, I like the idea of a family, but I don't want it. I grew up poor without much in the way of parents. I'm now well off, but broken. For better or worse I've perfected self-sufficiency. Were I to start a family, what follows is worse than where things are now. More neglect, anger, and frustration. The best thing I think I can do is stop the cycle. It would be foolish pride or hubris to think I'd be a better parent. Others will have to create more worker bees. I don't want to sustain this hive; it already failed me. Solid 1/5 star rating. It can burn. I'm playing through.
lalaland1125 2y ago
> current economics cause a lack of stability for people to move forward in their lives All of our data points in the opposite direction. The more wealth you have, and the more stability you have with government safety nets, the less likely you are to have children.
- FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
  True, but birthrates start to go back up once you get into very elite quantities. The proles have kids, and the empire-builders have kids. The professionals in the middle don't.
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keybored 2y ago
"move forward in their lives" is an ingenuous word in this context.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Economics are a component in some cohorts, but only one piece of the puzzle. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/the-experiences-of-u-s-adults-who-dont-have-children/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/the-exp... ("57% of adults under 50 who say they’re unlikely to ever have kids say a major reason is they just don’t want to; 31% of those ages 50 and older without kids cite this as a reason they never had them") https://www.axios.com/2024/07/25/adults-no-children-why-pew-data https://www.axios.com/2024/07/25/adults-no-children-why-pew-... ("Why more U.S. adults are choosing not to have kids: 64% of young women say they just don't want children, compared to 50% of men.") https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40982392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40982392 (Educated, empowered women have less children, have them later, or no children; citations within this comment)

sgbeal 2y ago

Believe it or not, there are people (myself included) who _actively decide_ to "move forward in their lives" without children for reasons having nothing to do with economics or stability. Some of us _don't want_ children.

mattpallissard 2y ago
And to your point, some of us want children and will move forward with that regardless of economics or stability. I don't think the markets influence child rearing as much as the headlines say.
bravetraveler 2y ago
I did! I know I'd be terrible for them, I'd argue it's for all of our benefit. Being realistic, I like the idea of a family, but I don't want it. I grew up poor without much in the way of parents. I'm now well off, but broken. For better or worse I've perfected self-sufficiency. Were I to start a family, what follows is worse than where things are now. More neglect, anger, and frustration. The best thing I think I can do is stop the cycle. It would be foolish pride or hubris to think I'd be a better parent. Others will have to create more worker bees. I don't want to sustain this hive; it already failed me. Solid 1/5 star rating. It can burn. I'm playing through.

lalaland1125 2y ago

> current economics cause a lack of stability for people to move forward in their lives All of our data points in the opposite direction. The more wealth you have, and the more stability you have with government safety nets, the less likely you are to have children.

FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
True, but birthrates start to go back up once you get into very elite quantities. The proles have kids, and the empire-builders have kids. The professionals in the middle don't.
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keybored 2y ago

"move forward in their lives" is an ingenuous word in this context.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

Economics are a component in some cohorts, but only one piece of the puzzle. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/the-experiences-of-u-s-adults-who-dont-have-children/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/the-exp... ("57% of adults under 50 who say they’re unlikely to ever have kids say a major reason is they just don’t want to; 31% of those ages 50 and older without kids cite this as a reason they never had them") https://www.axios.com/2024/07/25/adults-no-children-why-pew-data https://www.axios.com/2024/07/25/adults-no-children-why-pew-... ("Why more U.S. adults are choosing not to have kids: 64% of young women say they just don't want children, compared to 50% of men.") https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40982392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40982392 (Educated, empowered women have less children, have them later, or no children; citations within this comment)