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It honestly doesn't seem that bad, at least from the news story? > "Still, [Mayo clinic gastroenterologist] Acosta was not overly swayed by the study’s finding

It honestly doesn't seem that bad, at least from the news story? > "Still, [Mayo clinic gastroenterologist] Acosta was not overly swayed by the study’s findings, saying some of the side effects listed in it could be the result of patients’ rapid weight loss, not the medications. He said he would like to see a large randomized controlled clinical trial looking at people who received the medications or placebos." And another doctor said it wouldn't change her prescriptions. Sure, there may be some side effects, but shouldn't that be compared against the near certain death sentence of long term obesity?

lazide 2y ago
Considering how I’ve had people do really bizarre hate replies in the past when I note that obesity is a problem that takes decades off many people’s lives? Expect it to get weirdly sabotaged like ADHD meds have been. Seriously, Adderall shortages while meth is half the price and available all over town? WTF people.
- solardev 2y ago
  I guess I'm lucky in that I don't use social media and live in a pretty active, healthy community where there's not much obesity. People here look like Patagonia models, lol. I've vaguely heard about the anti-fat-shaming movement but never quite understood it. Sure, you shouldn't insult someone for being overweight, but it's undeniably really terrible for their health and for society. I mean, I get it, I'm overweight myself and know it's not easy to change, but I'm working on it. I don't want to just sit back and accept it, I want to change it. And if a doctor criticized my lifestyle, I'd try to listen and do what I can. What's wrong with that? Shouldn't society generally encourage its citizens to be healthier...?
  - Someone1234 2y ago
    > What's wrong with that? Shouldn't society generally encourage its citizens to be healthier...? Yes. Therefore, why are these same anti-overweight people also anti-Ozempic? It isn't about what is healthiest, it is about moral judgements and feeling superior.
    - lazide 2y ago
      IMO, it’s also a variant of crabs-in-bucket. How dare they get healthier/fitter/etc. without putting in all the work I did!
      - solardev 2y ago
        That's a good point; hadn't thought about that. It must look like "cheating" to the people who did it the hard way. I see the same sort of attitude from people who hate e-bikes: how dare they ride effortlessly up this hill that took me months of training and fitness to conquer!
        lazide 2y ago
        And in some sense - maybe it is ‘doping’? But c’mon, fuck that.
  - lazide 2y ago
    What’s wrong with recognizing being fat/obese is unhealthy? Well, if someone is at the point where they think they can’t actually fix the problem, and can’t deal with it - and it’s a real problem - they’ll tend to lash out, gaslight people, project it onto others, etc. Which, since they refuse to actually address the problem, means that behavior/problem is also not likely to change. So eventually, society either gives up, or doubles down.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    Fat-shaming is about making people feel even worse about themselves. Most people's reactions to it aren't "time to lose weight", it's more like "time for more comfort food". Anti-fat-shaming started as a recognition of this. A doctor having a serious conversation originally wouldn't have been included in that bucket.
    - lazide 2y ago
      A bunch of folks now a days will definitely scream fat shaming if a Dr tells them though.
gcr 2y ago
For me, the nausea I feel taking tirzepatide is a significant part of the reason why it lowers appetite. In other words, the discomfort is helpful. (I find tirzepatide nausea fairly manageable and benign compared to nausea caused by other sources)

lazide 2y ago

Considering how I’ve had people do really bizarre hate replies in the past when I note that obesity is a problem that takes decades off many people’s lives? Expect it to get weirdly sabotaged like ADHD meds have been. Seriously, Adderall shortages while meth is half the price and available all over town? WTF people.

solardev 2y ago
I guess I'm lucky in that I don't use social media and live in a pretty active, healthy community where there's not much obesity. People here look like Patagonia models, lol. I've vaguely heard about the anti-fat-shaming movement but never quite understood it. Sure, you shouldn't insult someone for being overweight, but it's undeniably really terrible for their health and for society. I mean, I get it, I'm overweight myself and know it's not easy to change, but I'm working on it. I don't want to just sit back and accept it, I want to change it. And if a doctor criticized my lifestyle, I'd try to listen and do what I can. What's wrong with that? Shouldn't society generally encourage its citizens to be healthier...?
- Someone1234 2y ago
  > What's wrong with that? Shouldn't society generally encourage its citizens to be healthier...? Yes. Therefore, why are these same anti-overweight people also anti-Ozempic? It isn't about what is healthiest, it is about moral judgements and feeling superior.
  - lazide 2y ago
    IMO, it’s also a variant of crabs-in-bucket. How dare they get healthier/fitter/etc. without putting in all the work I did!
    - solardev 2y ago
      That's a good point; hadn't thought about that. It must look like "cheating" to the people who did it the hard way. I see the same sort of attitude from people who hate e-bikes: how dare they ride effortlessly up this hill that took me months of training and fitness to conquer!
      - lazide 2y ago
        And in some sense - maybe it is ‘doping’? But c’mon, fuck that.
- lazide 2y ago
  What’s wrong with recognizing being fat/obese is unhealthy? Well, if someone is at the point where they think they can’t actually fix the problem, and can’t deal with it - and it’s a real problem - they’ll tend to lash out, gaslight people, project it onto others, etc. Which, since they refuse to actually address the problem, means that behavior/problem is also not likely to change. So eventually, society either gives up, or doubles down.
- Izkata 2y ago
  Fat-shaming is about making people feel even worse about themselves. Most people's reactions to it aren't "time to lose weight", it's more like "time for more comfort food". Anti-fat-shaming started as a recognition of this. A doctor having a serious conversation originally wouldn't have been included in that bucket.
  - lazide 2y ago
    A bunch of folks now a days will definitely scream fat shaming if a Dr tells them though.

gcr 2y ago

For me, the nausea I feel taking tirzepatide is a significant part of the reason why it lowers appetite. In other words, the discomfort is helpful. (I find tirzepatide nausea fairly manageable and benign compared to nausea caused by other sources)