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Yet people still pay them for a fix every month.

by HKH2 2y ago

dylan604 2y ago
if you pay $X per month for their software that allows you to earn 100x that amount, then $X is nothing. $X per month when you make no money and just want to play around, have a fun hobby, or just try to learn so that maybe one day you too can have a job utilizing that software, then yeah, it can be expensive. I get it. Back in the days of installing Adobe software from floppies, I too was too broke to pay for it. Now, the use of Adobe software pays my bills. For people with hobbies, these other packages might be great alternatives. For working professionally, it's just easier to use the same tools as everyone else. It's just an expense of running a business. My biggest gripe now is all of the generative AI bullshit, but I don't use it, and it's just one of those things. I also don't use their cloud offerings, so I'm not worried about my work used for training data.
- beej71 2y ago
  If $x is nothing then people will keep paying it and there'll be no need for early termination fees.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    You've maliciously manipulated what I said. I said if $X/month allows you to earn 100x $X, then it is worth it. Early terminations fees have absolutely nothing to do with that. At. All. Sometimes, people go on extended periods of not having work. Creative fields are very ebb&flow drought/flood type of work. If you're a solo person, sometimes you get bogged down in the current project to the point you don't have time to hunt for the next project. When the current project ends, you could hit a dry spell for an expended time. At that point, I could see wanting to stop paying for the software you are not currently using. However, back in the day, Photoshop was ~$1000 (using nice easy round number) for the full package. I think it was closer to $1500 for full, and $999 for upgrades, but that's too in the weeds. Updates were pretty much annually. So, you've got $1000/12 months = $83/month (but it was a lump sum payment only). Now, it's ~$60/month with much more frequent updates. If you paid the lump sum and then went on hiatus, you were still out that money. People complain about forced to not be able to use their 10 year old version because that's all the features you need. Okay, sounds legit. However, good luck installing any 10 year old software on modern OSes. There are times were software has to be kept up to date with the OS. The 32bit to 64bit was a big one even if it was more than 10 years ago. Again, I get trying to learn while not getting paid but needing to know it so you can have a chance to get paid. That's what I always told myself, that my using the pirated versions was for learning only. I never made any money from its use. Now, I get paid to use it, and I have a legit license. Pirating was much easier before the SaaS offerings, so I can appreciate that. For once, it pays to be old.
- HKH2 2y ago
  > if you pay $X per month for their software that allows you to earn 100x that amount, then $X is nothing. Apart from the network effects, are there many exclusive features that you use, or is it more that it's just not worth changing?
  - dylan604 2y ago
    My main feature is muscle memory. I've been using Adobe software since early/mid 90s. My brain just thinks Adobe. There are other things like using an AE project directly within Premiere without having to render the AE timeline. Switching back to AE, make tweaks, save, and flip back to Premiere to see those changes immediately. Same with PS and Illustrator assets. At this point in time, for me to switch to a different system would hinder my performance in an edit bay drastically while trying to learn something new. I'm old now, so the time that I used to spend doing all of that extra stuff is now spent on adulting. I used to try to learn every new thing, but I never left my computer. Now, I just want to get the work done as quickly as possible so that I can go back to my non-work activities.

Yet people still pay them for a fix every month.

by HKH2 2y ago

Yet people still pay them for a fix every month.

if you pay $X per month for their software that allows you to earn 100x that amount, then $X is nothing. $X per month when you make no money and just want to play around, have a fun hobby, or just try to learn so that maybe one day you too can have a job utilizing that software, then yeah, it can be expensive. I get it. Back in the days of installing Adobe software from floppies, I too was too broke to pay for it. Now, the use of Adobe software pays my bills. For people with hobbies, these other packages might be great alternatives. For working professionally, it's just easier to use the same tools as everyone else. It's just an expense of running a business. My biggest gripe now is all of the generative AI bullshit, but I don't use it, and it's just one of those things. I also don't use their cloud offerings, so I'm not worried about my work used for training data.

beej71 2y ago
If $x is nothing then people will keep paying it and there'll be no need for early termination fees.
- dylan604 2y ago
  You've maliciously manipulated what I said. I said if $X/month allows you to earn 100x $X, then it is worth it. Early terminations fees have absolutely nothing to do with that. At. All. Sometimes, people go on extended periods of not having work. Creative fields are very ebb&flow drought/flood type of work. If you're a solo person, sometimes you get bogged down in the current project to the point you don't have time to hunt for the next project. When the current project ends, you could hit a dry spell for an expended time. At that point, I could see wanting to stop paying for the software you are not currently using. However, back in the day, Photoshop was ~$1000 (using nice easy round number) for the full package. I think it was closer to $1500 for full, and $999 for upgrades, but that's too in the weeds. Updates were pretty much annually. So, you've got $1000/12 months = $83/month (but it was a lump sum payment only). Now, it's ~$60/month with much more frequent updates. If you paid the lump sum and then went on hiatus, you were still out that money. People complain about forced to not be able to use their 10 year old version because that's all the features you need. Okay, sounds legit. However, good luck installing any 10 year old software on modern OSes. There are times were software has to be kept up to date with the OS. The 32bit to 64bit was a big one even if it was more than 10 years ago. Again, I get trying to learn while not getting paid but needing to know it so you can have a chance to get paid. That's what I always told myself, that my using the pirated versions was for learning only. I never made any money from its use. Now, I get paid to use it, and I have a legit license. Pirating was much easier before the SaaS offerings, so I can appreciate that. For once, it pays to be old.
HKH2 2y ago
> if you pay $X per month for their software that allows you to earn 100x that amount, then $X is nothing. Apart from the network effects, are there many exclusive features that you use, or is it more that it's just not worth changing?
- dylan604 2y ago
  My main feature is muscle memory. I've been using Adobe software since early/mid 90s. My brain just thinks Adobe. There are other things like using an AE project directly within Premiere without having to render the AE timeline. Switching back to AE, make tweaks, save, and flip back to Premiere to see those changes immediately. Same with PS and Illustrator assets. At this point in time, for me to switch to a different system would hinder my performance in an edit bay drastically while trying to learn something new. I'm old now, so the time that I used to spend doing all of that extra stuff is now spent on adulting. I used to try to learn every new thing, but I never left my computer. Now, I just want to get the work done as quickly as possible so that I can go back to my non-work activities.