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Language models have been able to spit out CRUD apps for a while now. The "maybe" is not about technical limitations, it's about social and economic forces. In

Language models have been able to spit out CRUD apps for a while now. The "maybe" is not about technical limitations, it's about social and economic forces. In contrast, we don't have flying cars at all due to limits in our current technology.

georgeburdell 2y ago
Have you personally used one to make a CRUD app? I use it to generate scripts to parse some dataset from time to time, but that’s about it
jstanley 2y ago
We do have flying cars, but we call them helicopters and they're very expensive to operate.
- ben_w 2y ago
  We also have human-sized quadcopers with similar (identical?) fly-by-wire control as toy drones. Add "legal obligations" and the "cost of a pilot license" to the list.
  - robben1234 2y ago
    The pilot license is the largest obstacle to mass adoption, not even the price, in my opinion. For fixed wing private flying you are looking at at least hundred hours fully dedicated to new knowledge and skills at an expensive rate. That's assuming you are proficient at learning and able-bodied enough to pass medical. Unlike driving, when flying you can't just safely pull off to shoulder and stop to figure out whatever problem you are having. So there's a lot effort spent on ensuring whoever is flying is able to prevent known issues and handle emergencies in a non-tragic way.
    - jstanley 2y ago
      A microlight licence is available with only 25 hours of tuition, although getting even 25 hours has been very difficult this year due to the bad weather.
TillE 2y ago
I wish I could remember the names, but there have been a couple attempts at AI services which try to turn GitHub issues into pull requests. Their success rate is dismal. The vast majority of development work isn't creating slightly modified boilerplate.
- Zambyte 2y ago
  You are moving the goal post away from "basic CRUD-development" (direct quote).
gooosle 2y ago
Really? Language models can spit out entire CRUD apps with UI, DB, auth/z, constraints/validation? More like 'language models can kinda build 5% of a CRUD app somewhat correctly sometimes'. Would love to be proven wrong tho.
- Zambyte 2y ago
  > Language models can spit out entire CRUD apps with UI, DB, auth/z, constraints/validation? Yes. Claude 3.5 Sonnet is able to do those things when you ask for them.
oidar 2y ago
Which language model are you using? I'd like to buy a subscription.
- Zambyte 2y ago
  Claude 3.5 Sonnet. I use it through Kagi Ultimate.
  - oidar 2y ago
    I also subscribe to Kagi! I do have a regualr subscription to Anthropic, for the project features and being able to upload files for analysis. What's your workflow? I may be doing something wrong and would love for some relief.

georgeburdell 2y ago

Have you personally used one to make a CRUD app? I use it to generate scripts to parse some dataset from time to time, but that’s about it

jstanley 2y ago

We do have flying cars, but we call them helicopters and they're very expensive to operate.

ben_w 2y ago
We also have human-sized quadcopers with similar (identical?) fly-by-wire control as toy drones. Add "legal obligations" and the "cost of a pilot license" to the list.
- robben1234 2y ago
  The pilot license is the largest obstacle to mass adoption, not even the price, in my opinion. For fixed wing private flying you are looking at at least hundred hours fully dedicated to new knowledge and skills at an expensive rate. That's assuming you are proficient at learning and able-bodied enough to pass medical. Unlike driving, when flying you can't just safely pull off to shoulder and stop to figure out whatever problem you are having. So there's a lot effort spent on ensuring whoever is flying is able to prevent known issues and handle emergencies in a non-tragic way.
  - jstanley 2y ago
    A microlight licence is available with only 25 hours of tuition, although getting even 25 hours has been very difficult this year due to the bad weather.

TillE 2y ago

I wish I could remember the names, but there have been a couple attempts at AI services which try to turn GitHub issues into pull requests. Their success rate is dismal. The vast majority of development work isn't creating slightly modified boilerplate.

Zambyte 2y ago
You are moving the goal post away from "basic CRUD-development" (direct quote).

gooosle 2y ago

Really? Language models can spit out entire CRUD apps with UI, DB, auth/z, constraints/validation? More like 'language models can kinda build 5% of a CRUD app somewhat correctly sometimes'. Would love to be proven wrong tho.

Zambyte 2y ago
> Language models can spit out entire CRUD apps with UI, DB, auth/z, constraints/validation? Yes. Claude 3.5 Sonnet is able to do those things when you ask for them.

oidar 2y ago

Which language model are you using? I'd like to buy a subscription.

Zambyte 2y ago
Claude 3.5 Sonnet. I use it through Kagi Ultimate.
- oidar 2y ago
  I also subscribe to Kagi! I do have a regualr subscription to Anthropic, for the project features and being able to upload files for analysis. What's your workflow? I may be doing something wrong and would love for some relief.