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"By what I assume would be some project contributor ssh-ing into your machine" Who would want that? "Stay away from my house, you freak!" would be the normal

by lukan 2y ago

"By what I assume would be some project contributor ssh-ing into your machine" Who would want that? "Stay away from my house, you freak!" would be the normal reaction. Unless some serious trust is developed, I would not let people into my house while I sleep. Also the actual usual reaction would have been more like: "hey it is open source, you can fix anything on your tank yourself" You need a new module to connect with your other devices, just build it yourself, no big deal!

heraldgeezer 2y ago
Companies want that when prod stops.
- owl57 2y ago
  Reminded me of an extreme case. In 2012, the largest Russian bank brought its prod back online, and then posted literally this: > We invite specialists to take part in a professional discussion to identify the causes of Oracle DBMS failure > System logs and a more complete description of the situation will be posted in the blog. To participate in the discussion, you must fill out the registration form and wait for an invitation to your email. https://web.archive.org/web/20120716225650/http://www.sbrf.ru/moscow/ru/yammer/ https://web.archive.org/web/20120716225650/http://www.sbrf.r...
xg15 2y ago
I know you shouldn't look too closely at analogies, but I think there is an interesting inconsistency in the "car dealerships" story: The tank people offer to send someone to look into the car (rsp. tank) but the buyer rejects them from entering their house. That's significant, because a car is much less private than a house. In the real world, if my car had an issue, it would be perfectly reasonable to give it into the hands of a mechanic, even if I don't know them personally. (And evidently the reputation of the dealership isn't the deciding factor either, otherwise all the independent repair shops wouldn't exist) On the other hand, I'd be much more wary to let strangers into my house without supervision, because I have far more private and valuable possessions there than in my car. So the question is whether computers are more like cars or like houses. I'd argue, they sort of blur the line and have definitely moved closer to "house" in the last decades. But it might have been different back then.
- BenjiWiebe 2y ago
  I'd say the reputation of dealerships is why independent repair shops exist. :)
- charonn0 2y ago
  Obviously a computer is like an an RV.
  - xg15 2y ago
    It might also be a bus.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  That nitpick over car/house analogies is rapidly breaking down as cars have increased compute and storage themselves, and integrate with other personal electronics, most especially "smart" phones. Some recent discussion on the border phone search ruling: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41084384 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41084384>

by lukan 2y ago

heraldgeezer 2y ago

Companies want that when prod stops.

owl57 2y ago
Reminded me of an extreme case. In 2012, the largest Russian bank brought its prod back online, and then posted literally this: > We invite specialists to take part in a professional discussion to identify the causes of Oracle DBMS failure > System logs and a more complete description of the situation will be posted in the blog. To participate in the discussion, you must fill out the registration form and wait for an invitation to your email. https://web.archive.org/web/20120716225650/http://www.sbrf.ru/moscow/ru/yammer/ https://web.archive.org/web/20120716225650/http://www.sbrf.r...

xg15 2y ago

I know you shouldn't look too closely at analogies, but I think there is an interesting inconsistency in the "car dealerships" story: The tank people offer to send someone to look into the car (rsp. tank) but the buyer rejects them from entering their house. That's significant, because a car is much less private than a house. In the real world, if my car had an issue, it would be perfectly reasonable to give it into the hands of a mechanic, even if I don't know them personally. (And evidently the reputation of the dealership isn't the deciding factor either, otherwise all the independent repair shops wouldn't exist) On the other hand, I'd be much more wary to let strangers into my house without supervision, because I have far more private and valuable possessions there than in my car. So the question is whether computers are more like cars or like houses. I'd argue, they sort of blur the line and have definitely moved closer to "house" in the last decades. But it might have been different back then.

BenjiWiebe 2y ago
I'd say the reputation of dealerships is why independent repair shops exist. :)
charonn0 2y ago
Obviously a computer is like an an RV.
- xg15 2y ago
  It might also be a bus.
dredmorbius 2y ago
That nitpick over car/house analogies is rapidly breaking down as cars have increased compute and storage themselves, and integrate with other personal electronics, most especially "smart" phones. Some recent discussion on the border phone search ruling: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41084384 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41084384>