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What an interesting point of view. Very European. I wonder what will those Europeans do that do need the high-performance computer chips to create something new

What an interesting point of view. Very European. I wonder what will those Europeans do that do need the high-performance computer chips to create something new, to innovate. They will probably move to those whacked out societies.

tivert 2y ago
> What an interesting point of view. Very European. I wonder what will those Europeans do that do need the high-performance computer chips to create something new, to innovate. You mean the ones fabricated with European photolithography machines? I think you missed the GP's point: a lot of so-called "innovation" is crap, providing as much true value as a parasite (maybe one of those lovely ones that will kill you if you try to kill it).
- generalizations 2y ago
  > You mean the ones fabricated with European photolithography machines? Interesting discussion recently, I forget if it was on here. Those lithography machines are built with the worst spaghetti code imaginable and the engineering is so close to black magic that development is painfully slow. In other words, that space is ripe for disruption and there might be some attempts at that in the near future.
  - apexalpha 2y ago
    If you think EUV lithography is 'ripe for disruption', then sir, I wish you and your VCs all the best. :)
  - tivert 2y ago
    > Interesting discussion recently, I forget if it was on here. Those lithography machines are built with the worst spaghetti code imaginable and the engineering is so close to black magic that development is painfully slow. It sounds like "spaghetti code" is not actually the competitive disadvantage software engineers imagine it to be. I say that as a software engineer. Pretty sure there's a lot more to those machines than software. > In other words, that space is ripe for disruption and there might be some attempts at that in the near future. Not because of "spaghetti code," but because of US-led sanctions. China has technical talent, a lot of money, and now motivation to enter that space.
- runday198 2y ago
  And I think you missed mine. I agree with you. A lot of innovation is indeed crap. But there are times when they are not crap, but brilliant instead. So these crappy and brilliant innovators are going to move to the whacky societies. It's for Europeans to judge if that is a net loss or a net gain.
- rangestransform 2y ago
  A lot of “crap” is innovation too. In the past some considered video games to be crap, rotting children’s brains, promoting violence, etc. Look what happened when we figured out that add on cards for projective rendering could also multiply matrices really quickly. Whether or not an innovation is crap can only be judged in hindsight.

tivert 2y ago

> What an interesting point of view. Very European. I wonder what will those Europeans do that do need the high-performance computer chips to create something new, to innovate. You mean the ones fabricated with European photolithography machines? I think you missed the GP's point: a lot of so-called "innovation" is crap, providing as much true value as a parasite (maybe one of those lovely ones that will kill you if you try to kill it).

generalizations 2y ago
> You mean the ones fabricated with European photolithography machines? Interesting discussion recently, I forget if it was on here. Those lithography machines are built with the worst spaghetti code imaginable and the engineering is so close to black magic that development is painfully slow. In other words, that space is ripe for disruption and there might be some attempts at that in the near future.
- apexalpha 2y ago
  If you think EUV lithography is 'ripe for disruption', then sir, I wish you and your VCs all the best. :)
- tivert 2y ago
  > Interesting discussion recently, I forget if it was on here. Those lithography machines are built with the worst spaghetti code imaginable and the engineering is so close to black magic that development is painfully slow. It sounds like "spaghetti code" is not actually the competitive disadvantage software engineers imagine it to be. I say that as a software engineer. Pretty sure there's a lot more to those machines than software. > In other words, that space is ripe for disruption and there might be some attempts at that in the near future. Not because of "spaghetti code," but because of US-led sanctions. China has technical talent, a lot of money, and now motivation to enter that space.
runday198 2y ago
And I think you missed mine. I agree with you. A lot of innovation is indeed crap. But there are times when they are not crap, but brilliant instead. So these crappy and brilliant innovators are going to move to the whacky societies. It's for Europeans to judge if that is a net loss or a net gain.
rangestransform 2y ago
A lot of “crap” is innovation too. In the past some considered video games to be crap, rotting children’s brains, promoting violence, etc. Look what happened when we figured out that add on cards for projective rendering could also multiply matrices really quickly. Whether or not an innovation is crap can only be judged in hindsight.