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They can demand, and you can refuse. However if you have Face ID or other biometric measures, they can (legally) force your finger onto the sensor or hold the p

by uoaei 2y ago

They can demand, and you can refuse. However if you have Face ID or other biometric measures, they can (legally) force your finger onto the sensor or hold the phone up to your face to unlock it for their needs. Passwords are personal data, faces and fingerprints are not, apparently.

dcdc123 2y ago
Five taps of power button on iPhone disables biometrics until you enter the passcode. I always do this before going through airport security
- beeslol 2y ago
  Android has something similar - in the power menu [1] there's a "Lockdown" button which will lock your phone, disable biometrics, and disable showing notifications until you unlock with password. Depending on your version and flavour of Android you may need to enable this "Show Lockdown Option" in your settings. [1] Opening this varies - my pixel is power + vol up, some phones are hold power, etc.
- nehal3m 2y ago
  Just holding it down until it shows you the power off slider does the same. Easier to do in a panic.
eurleif 2y ago
>Passwords are personal data, faces and fingerprints are not, apparently. The rulings you're referring to are based on the Fifth Amendment. They don't involve the privacy rights of the Fourth Amendment. Rather, they treat the act of revealing your password as testimonial: if you say "my password is hunter2", you are testifying; and the Fifth Amendment says you cannot be forced to testify against yourself; so you cannot be forced to reveal your password. You can scan your fingerprint or face without speaking a word, so those acts are not testimonial, and forcing you to do them would not implicate the Fifth Amendment. Similarly, brute forcing your password, or searching for it written down in your notes, would not implicate the Fifth Amendment.
- withinboredom 2y ago
  That’s like saying if my house is protected by a passcode lock, the cops can just break down my door and walk in. Sure, they can, but there are clear rules of when they can enter and search my property without my consent. So, sure, they can enter my phone, but that doesn’t mean they have the right to in the first place.
  - amluto 2y ago
    The comment you’re replying to specifically discusses Fifth Amendment rights. The police would not generally be violating those rights by entering your house without a warrant. That would be a Fourth Amendment issue. (One might argue that breaking your door without due process of law would be a Fifth Amendment violation. I have no idea what existing precedent says about that.)
AndroTux 2y ago
For Face ID, just close your eyes.
- withinboredom 2y ago
  There’s no delay. If it even sees you as you are closing your eyes, it unlocks. My son and I just tested this.
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    Then train it to recognize your face with your eyes closed, or winking, then keep both your eyes opened! ;)
  - rythmshifter 2y ago
    However, if you never actually look at the phone it will not unlock it. It requires your "attention" to unlock. I believe this is a togglable setting.

by uoaei 2y ago

dcdc123 2y ago

Five taps of power button on iPhone disables biometrics until you enter the passcode. I always do this before going through airport security

beeslol 2y ago
Android has something similar - in the power menu [1] there's a "Lockdown" button which will lock your phone, disable biometrics, and disable showing notifications until you unlock with password. Depending on your version and flavour of Android you may need to enable this "Show Lockdown Option" in your settings. [1] Opening this varies - my pixel is power + vol up, some phones are hold power, etc.
nehal3m 2y ago
Just holding it down until it shows you the power off slider does the same. Easier to do in a panic.

eurleif 2y ago

>Passwords are personal data, faces and fingerprints are not, apparently. The rulings you're referring to are based on the Fifth Amendment. They don't involve the privacy rights of the Fourth Amendment. Rather, they treat the act of revealing your password as testimonial: if you say "my password is hunter2", you are testifying; and the Fifth Amendment says you cannot be forced to testify against yourself; so you cannot be forced to reveal your password. You can scan your fingerprint or face without speaking a word, so those acts are not testimonial, and forcing you to do them would not implicate the Fifth Amendment. Similarly, brute forcing your password, or searching for it written down in your notes, would not implicate the Fifth Amendment.

withinboredom 2y ago
That’s like saying if my house is protected by a passcode lock, the cops can just break down my door and walk in. Sure, they can, but there are clear rules of when they can enter and search my property without my consent. So, sure, they can enter my phone, but that doesn’t mean they have the right to in the first place.
- amluto 2y ago
  The comment you’re replying to specifically discusses Fifth Amendment rights. The police would not generally be violating those rights by entering your house without a warrant. That would be a Fourth Amendment issue. (One might argue that breaking your door without due process of law would be a Fifth Amendment violation. I have no idea what existing precedent says about that.)

AndroTux 2y ago

For Face ID, just close your eyes.

withinboredom 2y ago
There’s no delay. If it even sees you as you are closing your eyes, it unlocks. My son and I just tested this.
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  Then train it to recognize your face with your eyes closed, or winking, then keep both your eyes opened! ;)
- rythmshifter 2y ago
  However, if you never actually look at the phone it will not unlock it. It requires your "attention" to unlock. I believe this is a togglable setting.