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Is there any RUMINT about specifically why it's delayed? The delay itself is not RUMINT, and it's obviously some QA issue, but beyond that? The only rumors I'

Is there any RUMINT about specifically why it's delayed? The delay itself is not RUMINT, and it's obviously some QA issue, but beyond that? The only rumors I've seen are generic guesses: something AMD wasn't screening for, maybe coincidence, or maybe detected after the Intel mess sent AMD's QA teams scurrying to make sure they don't have any similar issues. It could even be a combined issue with 3rd-party motherboards with AMD's new chipsets, the combination of which they wouldn't have been able to thoroughly test much earlier. Isn't RUMINT on the Intel problem that, even though it's nominally a chip problem, it may occur primarily due to motherboards not following guidance? For instance, if a spec says the chip and mobo should lower max voltage by 100mV under certain conditions, but the chip still sometimes requests the full original voltage under those conditions, and the mobo provides it, whose fault is that? Maybe not exclusively Intel's, depending on how the specs are documented (a classic should vs must issue). It seems likely that small process sizes and pushing the limits of performance are going to cause more problems like this Intel one. Notice Intel didn't have this problem before they had to push their chips to compete against the high-end Ryzens.

Numerlor 2y ago
There hasn't been anything official but there were rumors about some reviewers got unexpectedly bad performance that AMD narrowed down to bad packaging for the SOC die. If it is the SOC it doesn't have anything to do with pushing nodes as it's on a larger node and the soc itself should be a mature architecture because it's reused from zen 4
yread 2y ago
It's obviously some bullshit as 1 month doesn't give enough time to change anything meaningful
dave7 2y ago
> Isn't RUMINT on the Intel problem that, even though it's nominally a chip problem, it may occur primarily due to motherboards not following guidance? That was merely Intel's first attempt at deflection / damage control. Kernel of truth to it, of course.

Numerlor 2y ago

There hasn't been anything official but there were rumors about some reviewers got unexpectedly bad performance that AMD narrowed down to bad packaging for the SOC die. If it is the SOC it doesn't have anything to do with pushing nodes as it's on a larger node and the soc itself should be a mature architecture because it's reused from zen 4

yread 2y ago

It's obviously some bullshit as 1 month doesn't give enough time to change anything meaningful

dave7 2y ago

> Isn't RUMINT on the Intel problem that, even though it's nominally a chip problem, it may occur primarily due to motherboards not following guidance? That was merely Intel's first attempt at deflection / damage control. Kernel of truth to it, of course.