Well here is one that I started: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2445017 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2445017 And here is another "meta" discussion

Well here is one that I started: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2445017 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2445017 And here is another "meta" discussion that I started: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2663717 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2663717