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Going out of your way on the internet to defend apples right to take 30% of every sale on the app store is insane to me. Just how can you not see there's proba

Going out of your way on the internet to defend apples right to take 30% of every sale on the app store is insane to me. Just how can you not see there's probably 20% of every purchase sitting on the table if competition was ever allowed to occur. Not to mention the simple freedom of choosing what you want to install yourself, and not just what Apple allows you to...

lolinder 2y ago
> Not to mention the simple freedom of choosing what you want to install yourself, and not just what Apple allows you to... I have the freedom to install whatever I want. I get that freedom by using Linux and Android. I choose to have that freedom by selecting platforms that provide it. Many HN users seem to want all the benefits of Apple's approach with none of the downsides, and it doesn't work that way. Apple is what it is because it has a tight, coherent strategy, and forcing Apple to change that strategy will have knock-on effects that most Apple users won't like. If you value freedom to install whatever you want, you chose the wrong ecosystem, and hijacking the ecosystem to satisfy your values is unfair to the vast majority of customers whose values already align with the ecosystem's.
- cynicalsecurity 2y ago
  The Apple are trying to hijack the ecosystem of free competition and open market.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    Apple is providing an entry into the free smartphone market that is a closed system with a highly controlled and curated software ecosystem. That is their product, that's what they offer. It's no different than Nintendo's entry into the game console market being what it is—some people will choose that experience because what it offers is valuable for them. For myself, I'm an Android phone user and a PC gamer, but just because I wouldn't choose those experiences for myself doesn't mean I begrudge their existence.
    - ProZsolt 2y ago
      There is a strong difference here: Smartphones are kind of essential to our modern life, game consoles aren't.
scarface_74 2y ago
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tomjen3 2y ago
The DMA does not allow you to install what you want. It does not apply to consoles. It does make it possible for companies to keep some more money, but most importantly it allows them to sidestep the protections for my privacy that I pay a premium to Apple for. A real DMA would force facebook, twitter, etc to open up for alternative clients. That would bring competition in and benefit the end user. Not that whatever digital slot machnine company is allowed to keep a higher percentage of the diamonds they sell you in their free to pay game.
- snowpid 2y ago
  WhatsApp and Facebook are forced to accept third party clients by these laws. So your concerns are addressed:)
kanbara 2y ago
it’s not 30%— in almost all cases it’s 15%. and by all means, if you think all the services and support for payments and returns and refunds and customer support are doable in 3%, you can have apple not do that too.

lolinder 2y ago

> Not to mention the simple freedom of choosing what you want to install yourself, and not just what Apple allows you to... I have the freedom to install whatever I want. I get that freedom by using Linux and Android. I choose to have that freedom by selecting platforms that provide it. Many HN users seem to want all the benefits of Apple's approach with none of the downsides, and it doesn't work that way. Apple is what it is because it has a tight, coherent strategy, and forcing Apple to change that strategy will have knock-on effects that most Apple users won't like. If you value freedom to install whatever you want, you chose the wrong ecosystem, and hijacking the ecosystem to satisfy your values is unfair to the vast majority of customers whose values already align with the ecosystem's.

cynicalsecurity 2y ago
The Apple are trying to hijack the ecosystem of free competition and open market.
- lolinder 2y ago
  Apple is providing an entry into the free smartphone market that is a closed system with a highly controlled and curated software ecosystem. That is their product, that's what they offer. It's no different than Nintendo's entry into the game console market being what it is—some people will choose that experience because what it offers is valuable for them. For myself, I'm an Android phone user and a PC gamer, but just because I wouldn't choose those experiences for myself doesn't mean I begrudge their existence.
  - ProZsolt 2y ago
    There is a strong difference here: Smartphones are kind of essential to our modern life, game consoles aren't.

scarface_74 2y ago

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tomjen3 2y ago

The DMA does not allow you to install what you want. It does not apply to consoles. It does make it possible for companies to keep some more money, but most importantly it allows them to sidestep the protections for my privacy that I pay a premium to Apple for. A real DMA would force facebook, twitter, etc to open up for alternative clients. That would bring competition in and benefit the end user. Not that whatever digital slot machnine company is allowed to keep a higher percentage of the diamonds they sell you in their free to pay game.

snowpid 2y ago
WhatsApp and Facebook are forced to accept third party clients by these laws. So your concerns are addressed:)

kanbara 2y ago

it’s not 30%— in almost all cases it’s 15%. and by all means, if you think all the services and support for payments and returns and refunds and customer support are doable in 3%, you can have apple not do that too.