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I don't get this article. Title is "Europe Is in Danger of Regulating Its Tech Market Out of Existence". But then the subtitle says "Poorly designed laws are

I don't get this article. Title is "Europe Is in Danger of Regulating Its Tech Market Out of Existence". But then the subtitle says "Poorly designed laws are forcing *global firms* to leave." (emphasis mine) Then you see a picture of an Apple Vision Pro. I've only skimmed through the article and there are 11 mentions of Apple and 12 mentions of Meta, then some mentions of X and such. These aren't even "global" firms, they are all American ones. If anything, it sounds like they may be regulating away US products from the European market, and that's a big "maybe", which is different from what I understood from the title they chose.

jeremyjh 2y ago
You seem to have confused "tech market" with "tech industry".
- aranelsurion 2y ago
  IDK, are local products and products from elsewhere other than US are not meant when one says "european tech market"? The title says the market is in danger of going out of existence, and the article solely mentions a handful of big US companies AFAICT. Or maybe it's a dig at Europe for having large parts of its market dominated by US companies, and I'm missing that.
  - jeremyjh 2y ago
    The market is defined by the buyers, not the sellers.
Vinnl 2y ago
It seems to hinge on extrapolating from Apple not doing AI in the EU that NVidia might leave the market, harming Mistral.
- kranke155 2y ago
  Why would Nvidia leave the market?
  - Vinnl 2y ago
    Beats me, and the article also doesn't back that up at all, other than that Apple skipped a feature in the EU.
  - wmf 2y ago
    Unspecified future boogeyman AI regulations. Or antitrust which Nvidia is already being investigated for. Realistically Nvidia did not leave China and they will not leave Europe.
    - fl0id 2y ago
      which doesn't make any sense, b/c afaik almost here AI regulations impact usage etc, not chip makers.
      - wmf 2y ago
        Some people are calling for GPUs to be nerfed but that's fringe at this point. If you wanted to create the most extreme strawman of EU regulation possible... maybe that's one example you'd come up with.
        Moldoteck 2y ago
        Even with nerfed gpus why would nvidia leave? I mean they sell lots of nerfed gpus to china
  - pizlonator 2y ago
    CUDA being viewed as anticompetitive by French regulators (source: the article).
    - lucianbr 2y ago
      CUDA is also viewed as anticompetitive by HN. Lots and lots of discussion about Nvidia's moat and how AMD could or can't break in. It's just here in the thread about regulation that some people suddenly forget.
whazor 2y ago
A more practical example is that Facebook cannot promote its marketplace anymore. In Europe there are local alternatives for market places that get disadvantaged. Spotify, an EU company, has to compete with Apple Music and YouTube Music. Both of which have their own mobile operating systems and markets. Now we get a lot of backlash from these big tech firms as for years they have been integrating services into their walled gardens. Which now is hard to decouple from their platform.
- fruit2020 2y ago
  This is not always good for the end user. Now I have to go to google maps manually because it’s most of the time no longer integrated with google search
  - Nathanba 2y ago
    what exactly prevents them from giving me a dropdown with links to apple maps, kagi maps, bing maps and google maps and my choice gets saved to my google account as the default? Instead all they show me is a useless javascript map which is still google maps but I cant do anything useful on it and it's super frustrating trying to get to a map for a place search
    - notimetorelax 2y ago
      To play devils advocate - it costs money to integrate with all the competing map providers and to display them properly on the site. You could think of a plug in approach where map providers integrate themselves, still someone needs to maintain that plug in infra. Nothing is free. And it’s the same story for any kind of service that’s subject to DMA.
      - Nathanba 2y ago
        Yes but this is a multi billion dollar company and the base integration could be as simple as opening the link and it doesn't even have to link to the correct place. They can have the ui make clear that it's a generic link to another map site. Although I just figured out how to link to something with a query text on bing in a minute: https://www.bing.com/maps?q=USA https://www.bing.com/maps?q=USA The exact same thing works on kagi.com/maps btw. So I don't think that this is too much to ask for, I rather think that they are trying to create pressure on the EU.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
Typical US centric reporting. “EU tech market” == US companies’ ability to make a profit in EU
rty32 2y ago
Same. I didn't see any explanation or example about "poorly designed" or "leave". And yes Vision Pro is completely irrelevant and very confusing. To me the entire article is just a well-formatted rant adapted from a random reddit post.

jeremyjh 2y ago

You seem to have confused "tech market" with "tech industry".

aranelsurion 2y ago
IDK, are local products and products from elsewhere other than US are not meant when one says "european tech market"? The title says the market is in danger of going out of existence, and the article solely mentions a handful of big US companies AFAICT. Or maybe it's a dig at Europe for having large parts of its market dominated by US companies, and I'm missing that.
- jeremyjh 2y ago
  The market is defined by the buyers, not the sellers.

Vinnl 2y ago

It seems to hinge on extrapolating from Apple not doing AI in the EU that NVidia might leave the market, harming Mistral.

kranke155 2y ago
Why would Nvidia leave the market?
- Vinnl 2y ago
  Beats me, and the article also doesn't back that up at all, other than that Apple skipped a feature in the EU.
- wmf 2y ago
  Unspecified future boogeyman AI regulations. Or antitrust which Nvidia is already being investigated for. Realistically Nvidia did not leave China and they will not leave Europe.
  - fl0id 2y ago
    which doesn't make any sense, b/c afaik almost here AI regulations impact usage etc, not chip makers.
    - wmf 2y ago
      Some people are calling for GPUs to be nerfed but that's fringe at this point. If you wanted to create the most extreme strawman of EU regulation possible... maybe that's one example you'd come up with.
      - Moldoteck 2y ago
        Even with nerfed gpus why would nvidia leave? I mean they sell lots of nerfed gpus to china
- pizlonator 2y ago
  CUDA being viewed as anticompetitive by French regulators (source: the article).
  - lucianbr 2y ago
    CUDA is also viewed as anticompetitive by HN. Lots and lots of discussion about Nvidia's moat and how AMD could or can't break in. It's just here in the thread about regulation that some people suddenly forget.

whazor 2y ago

A more practical example is that Facebook cannot promote its marketplace anymore. In Europe there are local alternatives for market places that get disadvantaged. Spotify, an EU company, has to compete with Apple Music and YouTube Music. Both of which have their own mobile operating systems and markets. Now we get a lot of backlash from these big tech firms as for years they have been integrating services into their walled gardens. Which now is hard to decouple from their platform.

fruit2020 2y ago
This is not always good for the end user. Now I have to go to google maps manually because it’s most of the time no longer integrated with google search
- Nathanba 2y ago
  what exactly prevents them from giving me a dropdown with links to apple maps, kagi maps, bing maps and google maps and my choice gets saved to my google account as the default? Instead all they show me is a useless javascript map which is still google maps but I cant do anything useful on it and it's super frustrating trying to get to a map for a place search
  - notimetorelax 2y ago
    To play devils advocate - it costs money to integrate with all the competing map providers and to display them properly on the site. You could think of a plug in approach where map providers integrate themselves, still someone needs to maintain that plug in infra. Nothing is free. And it’s the same story for any kind of service that’s subject to DMA.
    - Nathanba 2y ago
      Yes but this is a multi billion dollar company and the base integration could be as simple as opening the link and it doesn't even have to link to the correct place. They can have the ui make clear that it's a generic link to another map site. Although I just figured out how to link to something with a query text on bing in a minute: https://www.bing.com/maps?q=USA https://www.bing.com/maps?q=USA The exact same thing works on kagi.com/maps btw. So I don't think that this is too much to ask for, I rather think that they are trying to create pressure on the EU.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

Typical US centric reporting. “EU tech market” == US companies’ ability to make a profit in EU

rty32 2y ago

Same. I didn't see any explanation or example about "poorly designed" or "leave". And yes Vision Pro is completely irrelevant and very confusing. To me the entire article is just a well-formatted rant adapted from a random reddit post.