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Regulating the tech Market is great for local tech só what happens is pretty the opposite. No country will lose GDP if meta or google leave

jjtheblunt 2y ago
how much of gdp is facilitated through the search abilities of meta and google, though?
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- chmod775 2y ago
  Are you just counting on others being too exhausted to bring yet another moot argument to its predetermined conclusion? I'll finish it to save everyone some time: A: how much of gdp is facilitated through the search abilities of meta and google, though? B: It doesn't matter. A: Why not? B: There will be someone else who is willing to play by the local rules fulfilling the same function in their place, just like in many countries around the world already.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    > There will be someone else who is willing to play by the local rules Building a competitive search engine or AI model requires VC investment. It's simply too expensive to do otherwise. VC investment requires a vibrant startup ecosystem, well crafted regulations and a risk-tolerant culture.
    - chmod775 2y ago
      > Building a competitive search engine [..] requires VC investment. > VC investment requires a vibrant startup ecosystem, well crafted regulations and a risk-tolerant culture. Yandex, Baidu, and many other lesser-known local-only search engines exist. There's also nothing stopping an already existing technology company from entering search. The statement is incorrect. Meanwhile common sense tells us that obviously there's going to be investment into domestic search engines if Google voluntarily throws in the towel. Europe is a huge place and there's a lot of money to be made, even if it's merely with context-based advertising and no individual tracking. > Building a competitive [..] AI model requires VC investment [..] and a risk-tolerant culture. Training a large model anyways, since nobody has really figured out how to recoup that investment yet. Why are you trying to derail this from talking about search though?
    - GreenWatermelon 2y ago
      lol. Kagi exists and kicks the ever-loving shit of the garbage bin that is google search. So no, ot doesn't require VC cash to build something useful for people.
      - jjtheblunt 2y ago
        Kagi is wonderful: agreed!
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  - jjtheblunt 2y ago
    > Are you just counting on others being too exhausted to bring yet another moot argument to its predetermined conclusion? Umm, nope. I’m conjecturing that there could be an enabling aspect of huge scale, and that some smaller economies may fall below the threshold. Personally i hope what you wrote works.
- Avamander 2y ago
  Search abilities increasingly loathed for poor quality, blocked by providers, made useless by AI slop and superseded by the likes of even TikTok?
3np 2y ago
FP tends to have pro-US spin. This article reads as propaganda attempting to protect US interests.
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dnissley 2y ago
Tech is very interconnected though, and the article points out an example where what you state is very much not true: "How would Mistral, a leading AI firm, survive if Nvidia exits the French market due to regulatory concerns?"
- Vinnl 2y ago
  Would've been good if they had been able to come up with a realistic example that could be problematic, but they have not made the case at all while Nvidia would forego the EU market.
  - dnissley 2y ago
    Theoretically it would just be the French market, due to: https://www.reuters.com/technology/french-antitrust-regulators-preparing-nvidia-charges-sources-say-2024-07-01/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/french-antitrust-regulato...
Lichtso 2y ago
> Regulating the tech Market is great for local tech Except, it is not. At least not in the situation that the EU is in. Because all regulations are a constant burden on business, small relative to big corporations, huge for medium companies and insurmountable for startups. The EU has no big players, not a single one! We have a few medium players like SAP and that is it. So, we are already far behind and every weight we load on to drag us down is another nail in the coffin.
- GreenWatermelon 2y ago
  It's good the EU doesn't have a big player. Having big players is like having cancer. The EU has a functioning Immune system, the US is buckling under its immunu-comporomised ass. The resources ~~cancer cells~~ big players are extracting aren't going to the people.

jjtheblunt 2y ago

how much of gdp is facilitated through the search abilities of meta and google, though?

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chmod775 2y ago
Are you just counting on others being too exhausted to bring yet another moot argument to its predetermined conclusion? I'll finish it to save everyone some time: A: how much of gdp is facilitated through the search abilities of meta and google, though? B: It doesn't matter. A: Why not? B: There will be someone else who is willing to play by the local rules fulfilling the same function in their place, just like in many countries around the world already.
- threeseed 2y ago
  > There will be someone else who is willing to play by the local rules Building a competitive search engine or AI model requires VC investment. It's simply too expensive to do otherwise. VC investment requires a vibrant startup ecosystem, well crafted regulations and a risk-tolerant culture.
  - chmod775 2y ago
    > Building a competitive search engine [..] requires VC investment. > VC investment requires a vibrant startup ecosystem, well crafted regulations and a risk-tolerant culture. Yandex, Baidu, and many other lesser-known local-only search engines exist. There's also nothing stopping an already existing technology company from entering search. The statement is incorrect. Meanwhile common sense tells us that obviously there's going to be investment into domestic search engines if Google voluntarily throws in the towel. Europe is a huge place and there's a lot of money to be made, even if it's merely with context-based advertising and no individual tracking. > Building a competitive [..] AI model requires VC investment [..] and a risk-tolerant culture. Training a large model anyways, since nobody has really figured out how to recoup that investment yet. Why are you trying to derail this from talking about search though?
  - GreenWatermelon 2y ago
    lol. Kagi exists and kicks the ever-loving shit of the garbage bin that is google search. So no, ot doesn't require VC cash to build something useful for people.
    - jjtheblunt 2y ago
      Kagi is wonderful: agreed!
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- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  > Are you just counting on others being too exhausted to bring yet another moot argument to its predetermined conclusion? Umm, nope. I’m conjecturing that there could be an enabling aspect of huge scale, and that some smaller economies may fall below the threshold. Personally i hope what you wrote works.
Avamander 2y ago
Search abilities increasingly loathed for poor quality, blocked by providers, made useless by AI slop and superseded by the likes of even TikTok?

3np 2y ago

FP tends to have pro-US spin. This article reads as propaganda attempting to protect US interests.

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dnissley 2y ago

Tech is very interconnected though, and the article points out an example where what you state is very much not true: "How would Mistral, a leading AI firm, survive if Nvidia exits the French market due to regulatory concerns?"

Vinnl 2y ago
Would've been good if they had been able to come up with a realistic example that could be problematic, but they have not made the case at all while Nvidia would forego the EU market.
- dnissley 2y ago
  Theoretically it would just be the French market, due to: https://www.reuters.com/technology/french-antitrust-regulators-preparing-nvidia-charges-sources-say-2024-07-01/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/french-antitrust-regulato...

Lichtso 2y ago

> Regulating the tech Market is great for local tech Except, it is not. At least not in the situation that the EU is in. Because all regulations are a constant burden on business, small relative to big corporations, huge for medium companies and insurmountable for startups. The EU has no big players, not a single one! We have a few medium players like SAP and that is it. So, we are already far behind and every weight we load on to drag us down is another nail in the coffin.

GreenWatermelon 2y ago
It's good the EU doesn't have a big player. Having big players is like having cancer. The EU has a functioning Immune system, the US is buckling under its immunu-comporomised ass. The resources ~~cancer cells~~ big players are extracting aren't going to the people.