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Seems a noble plan but you will always have some good and some bad players. The form does matter as you can set things in stone to safeguard and make it imposs

Seems a noble plan but you will always have some good and some bad players. The form does matter as you can set things in stone to safeguard and make it impossible for future generations to rule themselves. I think we can pay people to study election programs and pay for getting an (otherwise unimportant) diploma. We are currently some place at 0% of the voters knowing more than 0.1% of the programs. Much progress to be made for very little money.

em-bee 2y ago
we will certainly never eliminate all bad players, but i think we can make them into a minority that doesn't have much influence. what would make it impossible for future generations to rule themselves? form of government matters in as much as it empowers the people and doesn't enable bad players. form doesn't matter if and only if we were to be able to eliminate all bad players. the point is that reducing bad players is more important than the perfect form of government, but practically, once we have reduced bad players to a minority, we can tweak the form of government to render the remaining bad players powerless. in the end that probably means that some form of democracy that allows people to remove bad players from positions of power is probably going to achieve the best outcome. none of the current systems, including all western democracies, allow the removal of bad players in part because there are just to many of them.
- throwaway14356 2y ago
  It struck me once that the elections every 4 years was pretty ambitious for that time. Today the delay doesn't seem required. Have people change their vote when they like with a min max to take and leave office. The greeks had ostracism the winner got 10 year banishment. That too we could do in real time. It doesn't just seem nice or interesting. We have enough evidence to see the current formula is dangerous. Are we at 200 million deaths already? I would also like to see politicians make draft laws and projects that citizens can vote for and against. Let them explain their ideas with nice docu style visuals. Say one set per week with 2 months to vote. If the internet is useless for secure elections we can make a new network with new hardware. I just read about the kleroterion, seems a hilarious approach. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleroterion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleroterion If you didn't already listen/watch/read to some professor Guy Standing. It is at least inspiring

em-bee 2y ago

we will certainly never eliminate all bad players, but i think we can make them into a minority that doesn't have much influence. what would make it impossible for future generations to rule themselves? form of government matters in as much as it empowers the people and doesn't enable bad players. form doesn't matter if and only if we were to be able to eliminate all bad players. the point is that reducing bad players is more important than the perfect form of government, but practically, once we have reduced bad players to a minority, we can tweak the form of government to render the remaining bad players powerless. in the end that probably means that some form of democracy that allows people to remove bad players from positions of power is probably going to achieve the best outcome. none of the current systems, including all western democracies, allow the removal of bad players in part because there are just to many of them.

throwaway14356 2y ago
It struck me once that the elections every 4 years was pretty ambitious for that time. Today the delay doesn't seem required. Have people change their vote when they like with a min max to take and leave office. The greeks had ostracism the winner got 10 year banishment. That too we could do in real time. It doesn't just seem nice or interesting. We have enough evidence to see the current formula is dangerous. Are we at 200 million deaths already? I would also like to see politicians make draft laws and projects that citizens can vote for and against. Let them explain their ideas with nice docu style visuals. Say one set per week with 2 months to vote. If the internet is useless for secure elections we can make a new network with new hardware. I just read about the kleroterion, seems a hilarious approach. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleroterion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleroterion If you didn't already listen/watch/read to some professor Guy Standing. It is at least inspiring