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> You can open them, copy them to your PC, copy PC files to your phone, rename files, move them, and delete them Don't even use windows, but no thanks. https

> You can open them, copy them to your PC, copy PC files to your phone, rename files, move them, and delete them Don't even use windows, but no thanks. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33047150 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33047150 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/warning-latest-windows-10-update-as-of-4-11-2023/91f494a2-c326-4486-ade2-f26031a48b36 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/warnin...

Saris 2y ago
Sounds like a case of people not having working backups in place. I don't care what OS you use, hardware fails, bugs happen, files get corrupted or accidentally deleted. Have backups.
- gchamonlive 2y ago
  Lack of responsibility from OS manufacturers isn't exactly a scenario you cover when doing backups. You need to trust the OS first.
  - Saris 2y ago
    Why not? Normal backups for hardware failure and stuff would cover that.
    - gchamonlive 2y ago
      because if you don't trust your OS how can you trust its output? Or that it won't delete something important that will cascade into your backups without you knowing, poisoning the backups? There is always the problem of trusting trust https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_Ref...
      - Saris 2y ago
        You can't trust any OS fully for that IMO. There have been file corruption bugs on Linux filesystems too. And there's always the possibility of an app you install having a bug and corrupting things as well. One example is Nextcloud had a bug that reset the date/time on my files to 0/0/0 0:0 which required a full restore from backups. That's why having backups is important, if you have staggered versioning that goes back at least a year or more, and you notice something is wrong eventually, you can recover from just about anything.
hobs 2y ago
Do you think that any file system is immune from you moving files to weird places? I hate on windows on the time but this is a truly silly take.
- gchamonlive 2y ago
  It's not about a file system, but an integration. No amount of care can account for automations deleting your data. Maybe backups, but you need to trust your OS before trusting your backups.

Saris 2y ago

Sounds like a case of people not having working backups in place. I don't care what OS you use, hardware fails, bugs happen, files get corrupted or accidentally deleted. Have backups.

gchamonlive 2y ago
Lack of responsibility from OS manufacturers isn't exactly a scenario you cover when doing backups. You need to trust the OS first.
- Saris 2y ago
  Why not? Normal backups for hardware failure and stuff would cover that.
  - gchamonlive 2y ago
    because if you don't trust your OS how can you trust its output? Or that it won't delete something important that will cascade into your backups without you knowing, poisoning the backups? There is always the problem of trusting trust https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_Ref...
    - Saris 2y ago
      You can't trust any OS fully for that IMO. There have been file corruption bugs on Linux filesystems too. And there's always the possibility of an app you install having a bug and corrupting things as well. One example is Nextcloud had a bug that reset the date/time on my files to 0/0/0 0:0 which required a full restore from backups. That's why having backups is important, if you have staggered versioning that goes back at least a year or more, and you notice something is wrong eventually, you can recover from just about anything.

hobs 2y ago

Do you think that any file system is immune from you moving files to weird places? I hate on windows on the time but this is a truly silly take.

gchamonlive 2y ago
It's not about a file system, but an integration. No amount of care can account for automations deleting your data. Maybe backups, but you need to trust your OS before trusting your backups.