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> We can be glad we have cars, trucks and roads that are a bit more resistant to attacks. Cars with so much electronics on board are just vulnerable as the wor

> We can be glad we have cars, trucks and roads that are a bit more resistant to attacks. Cars with so much electronics on board are just vulnerable as the worst cellphone out there; always connected may seem a cool buzzword, but in reality means always ready to be exploited. The reason they're not commonly exploited is that usually who is motivated to do that would rather look for bigger targets that give back more media coverage or potential ransom money.

mdp2021 2y ago
> always connected may seem a cool buzzword Which shows a cultural disaster - an idiocracy - that should be taken as a priority.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  I do not think that the general public is nearly as hopeless as people make it out to be. The march to touchscreen controls in cars has happened despite massive consumer complaints across the board.
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    Well Bob, they bought them anyway, did they not? And thus made that market a success. Edit: myself, I have seen an overwhelming majority of users that just shrug. (Plus, a number of shocked users that could not believe the situation when told - but that does not mean they will not conform when pressed by the lack of options.) Now: there are documented proofs of people in pornographic delight handling cars through smartphones; the facts are reachable of gadgets in contemporary premium cars that would be refused by a seventies' pimp; there are definite anecdotes of large amounts people not having the slightest idea of the security and privacy faults of contemporary cars (etc.). To discuss how «hopeless» a population is we should probably assess and throw numbers in: "uninformed | unaware | drooling | flabbergasted, etc.". Even if the number of the «cool buzzword» enthusiasts were smaller than thought by some, the elements are there for concern and societal action.
    - bobthepanda 2y ago
      I mean market choice was totally taken away almost immediately. You basically need to buy a used car to be totally taken away from touchscreen world. It's similar to how consumer-grade dumb TVs do not really exist. And most consumers are not about to start a low-margin, multi-million dollar capex business and start building their own cars and tvs.
      - mdp2021 2y ago
        > You basically need to buy a used car Yes Bob. I also continually monitor that market. Europe here: the powers-that-be are restricting the use of old cars, and the new ones are unacceptable - as law and makers mandate. The scissor of usability is closing the gap between the blades. But that is the situation. But this would not have happened if, wallets being holders of votes, people told the powers-that-be and the car makers to **** off.
      - mdp2021 2y ago
        > start a low-margin, multi-million dollar capex business and start building their own cars and tvs (Sorry, I missed that part.) That is what we need. That is not something «most consumers are not about to start»: it should be a drive to have a few serving the rest. An easier and (on an important side, fail-safe resilience aside) better solution would be a society that would not have let the situation happen in the first place.

mdp2021 2y ago

> always connected may seem a cool buzzword Which shows a cultural disaster - an idiocracy - that should be taken as a priority.

bobthepanda 2y ago
I do not think that the general public is nearly as hopeless as people make it out to be. The march to touchscreen controls in cars has happened despite massive consumer complaints across the board.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  Well Bob, they bought them anyway, did they not? And thus made that market a success. Edit: myself, I have seen an overwhelming majority of users that just shrug. (Plus, a number of shocked users that could not believe the situation when told - but that does not mean they will not conform when pressed by the lack of options.) Now: there are documented proofs of people in pornographic delight handling cars through smartphones; the facts are reachable of gadgets in contemporary premium cars that would be refused by a seventies' pimp; there are definite anecdotes of large amounts people not having the slightest idea of the security and privacy faults of contemporary cars (etc.). To discuss how «hopeless» a population is we should probably assess and throw numbers in: "uninformed | unaware | drooling | flabbergasted, etc.". Even if the number of the «cool buzzword» enthusiasts were smaller than thought by some, the elements are there for concern and societal action.
  - bobthepanda 2y ago
    I mean market choice was totally taken away almost immediately. You basically need to buy a used car to be totally taken away from touchscreen world. It's similar to how consumer-grade dumb TVs do not really exist. And most consumers are not about to start a low-margin, multi-million dollar capex business and start building their own cars and tvs.
    - mdp2021 2y ago
      > You basically need to buy a used car Yes Bob. I also continually monitor that market. Europe here: the powers-that-be are restricting the use of old cars, and the new ones are unacceptable - as law and makers mandate. The scissor of usability is closing the gap between the blades. But that is the situation. But this would not have happened if, wallets being holders of votes, people told the powers-that-be and the car makers to **** off.
    - mdp2021 2y ago
      > start a low-margin, multi-million dollar capex business and start building their own cars and tvs (Sorry, I missed that part.) That is what we need. That is not something «most consumers are not about to start»: it should be a drive to have a few serving the rest. An easier and (on an important side, fail-safe resilience aside) better solution would be a society that would not have let the situation happen in the first place.